Thread: Machinist extinction in 4.0?

Originally Posted by Ghastly

It took me ALL of heavensward to learn how to play machinist............
That's how strict this job is and why it needs more simplifying than any class. If Yoshida thinks black mage became too complex with enochain he should really try out machinist and find out how high the focus one needs to play a machinist is.

Out of all the classes I've played with mch my eyes are 99% of the time on the hotbars. I can't look away from them because the moment I do the rotation and buffs will ruin the dps numbers by a lot. I know that's true for a lot of jobs but for mch it's bad...if you mess up the rotation and end up with dead (no proc) rotations you're in for a bad time.

At the moment I can do a lot of damage and keep up with other dps, but again...it took me 2 years to actually keep up with other dps classes. It needs a lot of simplifying.

Out of my fc/linkshells I can honestly say I only know 3 people that play the class in a real way. It's too rare.
The way to fix mch is just to make it simpler like they did with ARR summoner to HW summoner. Also maybe remove the rng procs or remove hotshot or something. There's just too many things a mch needs to prepare (hotshot, blood for blood, hawk's eye, the dot skill, raging strikes).

Monk has to keep up as many things but they don't deal with rng.......

Also I hope they add a dual gun stance for mch....I want to be like merlwyb T_T
Make it like enochain, a limited time thing where you can use 2 guns

Either way I hope they just make all the preparing for mch simpler and the reloading timer less strict, maybe decrease the reload skill cooldowns.

Bard main here. Picked up Machinist, practiced it for a few weeks; can now do all content, Savage and Extremes included comfortably on my Machinist also. The class has a few quirks (like stance-dancing outside ogcd/dot windows, or timing your Wildfires), but I think this is overstating the complexity of the class. With Reload and Quick Reload, the Machinist already has quite a lot of control over the RNG procs. Aside from watching out for the RNG procs, it's not really that different from any other class timing their cooldowns. Therefore, I don't really find myself watching the hotbars any more than on my other classes. Albeit, Bard gameplay is somewhat similar and I'm already used to side-eyeing for constant Bloodletter procs which may have helped with the transition.

Machinist can seem intimidating at first, but it's not really that bad. In fact, it's quite a lot of fun if you enjoy fast-paced gameplay that does not follow an entirely scripted rotation. I'd rather not see the class get simplified from its current state.

Originally Posted by Ghastly

It took me ALL of heavensward to learn how to play machinist............
That's how strict this job is and why it needs more simplifying than any class. If Yoshida thinks black mage became too complex with enochain he should really try out machinist and find out how high the focus one needs to play a machinist is.

There are plenty of things I'd like to see changed about MCH, but complexity isn't one of them. Then again, I disagree with the overall philosophy Yoshi is espousing about simplifying classes. System mastery -should- be rewarded with markedly better results.

Personally I would much rather MCH gets the different gun attachments and meaningful ammo use that the class was touted to come with on release..

Originally Posted by EdwinLi

The majority would probably be more happy the RNG is gone on Machinist considering it is the RNG Mechanic that people consider the Primary issue with the Job thus the low played population.

It is a very out of control mechanic that leaves a lot on chance when the ammo is on cooldown.

I have a hunch that if they removed the RNG, they would also remove the ability to 'hold' procs. I'm not always a fan of RNG not proccing, but I really, like being able to go 1> 2 > 1 > 3 >2 >3

Originally Posted by Ghastly

FFXIV was doing bad before HW?
Complexity is never positive. A high ceiling is.

How can you claim it is 'never positive' when you have multiple people telling you that they specifically enjoy it?

Further, I would argue that the complexity allows for a higher ceiling. By increasing the difficulty of the class, you are reducing the number of people able to hit that ceiling, and by making them outliers, you don't have to balance around them. On the other hand, making a job easy to play and easy to put out stupid high numbers makes that job the 'flavor of the month' and gets the rest of player base calling for a nerf.

They need to upgrade those animations and perhaps go dual wield. The moment I saw for the first time a machinist fighthing I lost all my interest and I was looking forward to become one.

Something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAy7s2626V8