Thread: Machinist extinction in 4.0?

Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i think the whole trouble of the mch, like said before me, it's the fact that it too much rng based... it's not fun to play a class that can screw you over because of luck or not... i think the whole concept is bad.
you can ask people to want to play a roulette russe all the time, when other jobs can be more constant.

You're WAY overestimating the RNG aspect of it. That's like saying a job is weak because you don't crit often with it, or like saying PLD is bad because DRK has strong magic defense/mitigation and it (currently) does not.

Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

You're WAY overestimating the RNG aspect of it. That's like saying a job is weak because you don't crit often with it, or like saying PLD is bad because DRK has strong magic defense/mitigation and it (currently) does not.

Well let us just say the main things people would look more to is Big Damage Numbers and amount of control they have with a Job they play. However, game been that way for a long time now anyways so the bigger the damage and more control they have with their character for easier play the more attracted they are a certain job.

In a typical minute, you would be refreshing Hot Shot twice and Lead Shot twice, plus you'd have nine GCDs under the effect of ammunition. That's a total of 13 GCDs out of 24 (at 2.5s each) or 54% that have no RNG associated with them at all. Any chains that proc Clean Shot increase that number as well.

Well, let's see:

Lead Shot: Most potent DoT in the game so far, or so I'm told.
Wildfire: You get out what you put in. The better you are at skill weaving and timing, the better your damage.
Bishop Turret: Free, no TP aoe, can be placed and replaced faster than most other aoes, useful for area denial in PvP.
Hypercharge: Vulnerability debuff and/or "Battle Voice" style effect for regen modes, vuln refreshes itself per hit, for as long as Hypercharge is active.
CC: Everything except Sleep and Pacification.
Casting and Movement: Half the cast time of casters, and both procs and weaving oGCDs allow you to bypass cast times, making movement easier.

If a player doesn't have control as a MCH, or is incapable of big damage, they're in serious trouble.

Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

If a player doesn't have control as a MCH, or is incapable of big damage, they're in serious trouble.

Considering that some people ITT want to buff MCH or argue that he's too hard to play I'd say that people are just bad lul.

Why is this even a topic? MCHs aren't ostracised from any meaningful content, plus we have no idea what type of skills it's going to get in 4.0, so what is this mess based on? Because it's not brimming with popularity? Pointless thread.

Originally Posted by ErryK

More than likely, MCH will still be "meta" because we'll likely see NIN/DRG/SAM/MCH be the go-to group composition for the DPS.

Ooh, I can see that being quite the amazing comp. Trick Attack, Battle Litany, Hypercharge, whatever party buff SAM might bring to the table, slashing and piercing debuffs for the respective jobs. . . Give me a PLD/WAR, and an AST/WHM (assuming they get some awesome new toys) and I'm in DPS heaven.