Stop Making Should-Be Achievement Gear.."Optional Gear"

[Naunet]

Honestly, I just feel that FFXIV's cash shop is horribly price gougey for what it's trying to be. I'm not even particularly against cash shops, but I AM against poor deals.

In WildStar, I subscribe to the Signature benefits. But I also earn Omnibits while playing the game that I've used to purchase every single dye, every costume, multiple pets and mounts, all holo-wardrobe/costume slot unlocks, all decor expansion unlocks, and several toys. I spent real money in the cash shop twice, when I felt like I wanted to demonstrate extra financial support for a particular decision Carbine made. And this is a game where I'm not even obligated to pay the subscription if I want to play the game. Oh and did I mention that every purchase is account-wide?

FFXIV's cash shop is just a horrible deal, and that is why I will never, ever spend money in it.

[Belhi]

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I wouldn't look to Wildstar as a great example of a success story. The game doesn't even earn enough to be listed separately on NCSOFT's quarterly financial reports. Considering NCSOFT's past track record its surprising they haven't shuttered the game yet. Don't get me wrong, I like Wildstar and would probably play it if ping didn't make it almost completely unplayable for me, but they aren't a great example of a successful MMO model.

There is an argument to be made about the prices on the SE cash shop which could be valid. After all lower prices might end up meaning more items eventually sold. However without some data, which I doubt we will ever see, there is a lot of guess work to it.

With the armor given to us by Tatatru not being what i had hoped and the final patch having droped without further mention of it my fears that this particular will make an appearance in the cash shop is very real. Any number of plots could have been easily used to have it given to us, however the fact it was made scalable to different bodies and still not made a quest completion reward shows me an unsettling future.

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They always said that 'Cosplay' sets would be through the cash shop. I think its almost certain they would never be a quest reward. Likewise Krile's coat will be a cash shop item. In that particular case they said its the only reason they are spending resources on developing it because it is technically fiddly to adapt for some reason.

[Naunet]

I wouldn't look to Wildstar as a great example of a success story.

It's trucking along just fine, thank you. Just because it doesn't have a million subscribers doesn't mean it's a bad game. I also wasn't using it as an example of a "success story" but rather an example of a cash shop that is MUCH more consumer-friendly. When a f2p MMO manages to provide a far better deal than the cash shop in a p2p game, that's a problem.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It's trucking along just fine, thank you. Just because it doesn't have a million subscribers doesn't mean it's a bad game. I also wasn't using it as an example of a "success story" but rather an example of a cash shop that is MUCH more consumer-friendly. When a f2p MMO manages to provide a far better deal than the cash shop in a p2p game, that's a problem.

Except a lot of game stuff is locked behind said cash shop, or rather, the sub for the game. I wouldnt call it consumer friendly lol

You can't create or invite people to a guild, warparty, arena team or circle. you only get 3 bazaar slots for buying and selling, the game is basically gimped unless you pay more than even XIV's basic sub. Wildstars free version is almost as restrictive as XIVs free trial, and THAT is ridiculous, since its a F2P game :P.

[Naunet]

You can't create or invite people to a guild, warparty, arena team or circle. you only get 3 bazaar slots for buying and selling, the game is basically gimped unless you pay more than even XIV's basic sub. Wildstars free version is almost as restrictive as XIVs free trial, and THAT is ridiculous, since its a F2P game :P.

If you spend some plat on a CREDD, you unlock all of those things. Or if you bought the game. Even if you don't want to spend the time to earn the plat, you only need to spend $15 once to unlock those. You do NOT need to be subbed to the game. Those restrictions are there for a reason (combat gold sellers) and are perfectly reasonable, especially when they don't actually require you to invest any money in the game at all.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Honestly, I just feel that FFXIV's cash shop is horribly price gougey for what it's trying to be. I'm not even particularly against cash shops, but I AM against poor deals.

In WildStar, I subscribe to the Signature benefits. But I also earn Omnibits while playing the game that I've used to purchase every single dye, every costume, multiple pets and mounts, all holo-wardrobe/costume slot unlocks, all decor expansion unlocks, and several toys. I spent real money in the cash shop twice, when I felt like I wanted to demonstrate extra financial support for a particular decision Carbine made. And this is a game where I'm not even obligated to pay the subscription if I want to play the game. Oh and did I mention that every purchase is account-wide?

FFXIV's cash shop is just a horrible deal, and that is why I will never, ever spend money in it.

That's you're right as a consumer. I agree that some things in the shop seem way overpriced to me. But other people with far more disposable income than I probably don't even give it a second thought. And that's ok. Speaking with your wallet by not making purchases of items you feel are bad deals is perfectly fine. But it's worth noting that just because some of the shop items may seem overpriced to some of us, does not mean that there's a problem with the shop selling items. It just means the price points set by the company aren't always going to jive with everyone's level of disposable income.

Yea it sucks when stuff you want is out of reach due to cost, but at the same time, nothing in the shop is vital to have. It very much is OPTIONAL, and as I've said many times in this thread already, those items wouldn't be available to players AT ALL if not for the shop. Some posters have this strange idea that these items would have made their way into the game eventually as some sort of achievement gear, when the reality is that they wouldn't have made it at all.

[Alacran]

With the armor given to us by Tatatru not being what i had hoped and the final patch having droped without further mention of it, my fears that this particular item will make an appearance in the cash shop is very real. Any number of plots could have been easily used to have it given to us, however the fact it was made scalable to different bodies and still not made a quest completion reward shows me an unsettling future.

[Ilan]

You guys have to realize that you pay your damn sub for only one thing and thats the access to the final fantasy servers to play the character that you created. Every few weeks comes a thread where someone demands that everything has to be free in a game just because he/she pays a sub. There is such a low amount of stuff logged behind the cash shop in this game that this complains are just ridiculous.

Naunet most f2p games have content locked behind hidden monthly fees aka premium or offer certain content only in the shop.

[Emstidor]

Someone actually used the terms Wildstar and value in the same sentence, lol

A dollar can probably buy you a whole lot of dog turds, doesn't mean the guy with turd-filled pockets is a smart consumer.

[Maero]

Eso would have been a better comparison then Wildstar i would think, no?
It has done far better then WS, lol