Do Something About Duty Finder Already

[Tachyon]

Tachyon@1.
Your most likely right, lately though the Job "experts are the ones who seem worse then the class people.

@2.
I actually had times i hit harder then some Job people using the Straight Shot + Internal Release combo.

@3.
Actually it does help, it gives the Tank a counter like boost, kinda just a bit of extra DPS damage really. As for Virus yeah its ok at the start, but loses its usefulness later. Even i barely use it. Still its nice to have that option, a quick power/intel down. Less damage on the tank, less the healer has to worry.

See when i use Class its as a support role nothing else, i do it for the buffs, needless to say RDM is the Job i've been waiting for since it will do all this. Buts still till then i would like to say this to everyone who disagrees. Try it, just for a few runs, figure out all the tricks that make us defend this style.

@1 Havn't had that problem really, I normally find people using classes instead of jobs are more of a hindrance than a help.

@2 I think those are just people playing their Job badly and not utilizing their skills? Like those NINs that only use Huton you run into.

@3 Dragoon, Ninja, Bard and WAR can all cross-class the 5% Mantra too. When it actually count's for something you will most likely have one of those classes in your party, and they can pop it when necessary instead of you having to lose out on job skills. E4E is ok, but both SCH/WHM are going to have that too and a third isn't going to make that big of a difference? A non-traited virus does not debuff int either


If you have a group of friends that is willing to work with a buffer class only then that's fine, I guess. But I don't think it has a place in regular Duty Finder play with randoms.

[Vorx]

If you have a group of friends that is willing to work with a buffer class only then that's fine, I guess. But I don't think it has a place in regular Duty Finder play with randoms.

Actually it does really well as long as you avoid the big parties, anything up to lvl 50 before expansion missions are ok with one Class player. Still even i won't go into an expansion run as a Class. Sometimes i get thrown into one while doing dailies but never on purpose.

@1. Sadly its people who complain about it who are the real problem, it's always just one person who is the one complaining not the party itself.
@2. Your most likely right, seems people aren't as good at the Jobs anymore. I've noticed this myself.
@3.Your right but the tanks are to busy holding agro to use them, the two DPS don't seem to wanna be bothered. But it does come in handy at times.

[Vorx]

I have yet to see ANY Ninja use anything but Huton, they don't even use the Jutsu auto refresh.

[Tachyon]

I have yet to see ANY Ninja use anything but Huton, they don't even use the Jutsu auto refresh.

What? Huton is great, but once you cast that you shouldn't have to refresh it with your mudra anymore with armor crush

Most NINs I've seen will use trick attack during opening on each boss (and then again every 60 seconds or so). BFB+Kassatsu Doton during aoe.... I will admit some don't use shadewalker/smokescreen as much, but it does happen.

I think you are kind of underestimating how much that 10% raidwide damage increase counts for.

[bardaboo]

I have yet to see ANY Ninja use anything but Huton, they don't even use the Jutsu auto refresh.

Other people's stupidity shouldn't be used as a defense of your own

[Vorx]

I never said its a good set, i'm saying i never, NEVER see other Ninja use it. Ever. All i ever see anyone else use is Huton, that is all.

[Ryel]

I never said its a good set, i'm saying i never, NEVER see other Ninja use it. Ever. All i ever see anyone else use is Huton, that is all.

Then you are likely seeing either bad or lazy NINs, which ironically is exactly one of the points the thread is talking about.

[Vorx]

Then you are likely seeing either bad or lazy NINs, which ironically is exactly one of the points the thread is talking about.

Right, but another thing is the Classes thing. As a Class you can help more, Classes get Eye for an Eye sooner, Mantra sooner (which despite what most thinks can give Healer a big hand if the Tank is a paper Tank.), Virus, as well as a few other power ups you may not get if that Job isn't in the run.
Personally if its just one Class that is normally ok, its just two or more is the problem. And if the Class is a DPS role then its not as bad.

That said there are only two roles that could get away with Classes anyway, Healer and DPS. Tanks could not get away with it.

[bardaboo]

Right, but another thing is the Classes thing. As a Class you can help more, Classes get Eye for an Eye sooner, Mantra sooner (which despite what most thinks can give Healer a big hand if the Tank is a paper Tank.), Virus, as well as a few other power ups you may not get if that Job isn't in the run.
Personally if its just one Class that is normally ok, its just two or more is the problem. And if the Class is a DPS role then its not as bad.

That said there are only two roles that could get away with Classes anyway, Healer and DPS. Tanks could not get away with it.

oooh that virus is suuuper helpful. Glad the tank is taking less damage even though the dungeon takes longer . all those " helpful" skills only make healer job easier. So now the healer can dps more in order to pick up your slack.

[Vorx]

Sorry i have to number your post Tachyon, the re-post reply was to long.