Until SE makes male and female glamours equal...

[Aniond]

I dont understand this Argument. This isn't is real life clothing; its gear based on classic final fantasy appearances. You can google what a white mage, a black mages, a Dragoon, a bard, a pld and so on and see the style that Sqaure Enix is trying to keep authentic. This isn't about feminizing males and emasculating females. Its about keeping the game authentic and true to its Final Fantasy origins. This dates back always to FF1 not something that Square Enix conjured up just for a MMO.

[Serilda]

I dont understand this Argument. This isn't is real life clothing; its gear based on classic final fantasy appearances.

I don't understand this argument. We can already wear clothing based on classic Final Fantasy appearances. That's one of the things this thread demonstrates. However, we can't wear things that have nothing to do with classic FF, like gloves and boots and bunny ears. FF doesn't traditionally treat half it's players like second class citizens just because they picked the incorrect gender that the design team doesn't like to look at as much. That's not 'authentic', that's just weak and has no place in FFXIV. And they're still doing it today!

[Laerune]

I dont understand this Argument. This isn't is real life clothing; its gear based on classic final fantasy appearances. You can google what a white mage, a black mages, a Dragoon, a bard, a pld and so on and see the style that Sqaure Enix is trying to keep authentic. This isn't about feminizing males and emasculating females. Its about keeping the game authentic and true to its Final Fantasy origins. This dates back always to FF1 not something that Square Enix conjured up just for a MMO.

If this is about cross dressing then, you as someone that has knowledge of FF games would already know that cross dressing is not something new to Final Fantasy. We have seen crossdressing in: FFIV, FFV, FFVII, FFVIII, FFX-2, Lightning Returns: FFXIII, FF Tactics games, FF: Legends, Dissidia: Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy: The 4 heroes of light. Saying that its not part of FF is false, if the developers do not want to add them its one thing, but cross dressing is not something new to FF and I reckon it will keep showing in future games.

Feminine males is like one of the top 3 things that FF games is known for after Chocobo and Moogles. Lets not forget SE might let us play as a Dragoon, but that still wont stop us from wearing an Moogle outfit or a bikini into battle.To many people are worried about what someone else will do with their character, just let them play as they want.

[LurkerofDublin]

>.< Yeah, sorry, I haven't been feeling well and things got really busy at work, so I've just been too tired to update. I'll pick it up again once I actually have time to finish SB and get a few classes to 70 so I can play with the new items. Feel free to post in the meantime!

When did they add Moogles as a playable race?! You make a lovely Moogle White Mage!

Life can sidetrack like that, yes. At least make sure to get the rising out of the way for the flower confetti, minions, and the orch scrolls (we FINALLY get the echo-y version of Answers).

As for the moogles, thanks. Shame they don't work out so well with the black mage set, head clips right through the collar. If it weren't for that and the skin showing in the inner limb regions they would almost be official race.

[LurkerofDublin]

I dont understand this Argument. This isn't is real life clothing; its gear based on classic final fantasy appearances.

This isn't about class gear appearances, the issue is that females get the most variety and interesting stuff, and males get shafted in that department because even with clip masking, male gear puts more emphasis on modesty and the chest area for exposure. That in turn affects their piece meal potential, their interchangeable capabilities and style. Most of us want the same flexibility, and one surefire way to go with this is more feminine clothing to access. It won't automatically equal feminine either, chicks get stuff like kecks that show leg, quarter-tights, revealing but ultimately unisex gear designs.

[Arrius]

This isn't about class gear appearances, the issue is that females get the most variety and interesting stuff,[...].

Welcome to any fantasy mmo with a cash shop for vanity gear.
Looking cute, sexy and/or just 'good on the eyes' was always a female thing in these games, and the devs happily provide outfits to accommodate the demand.

It's similar of what you see in malls or shopping stores - Floors upon floors with woman fashion, and maybe a single male oriented one at the top.

[LurkerofDublin]

Welcome to any fantasy mmo with a cash shop for vanity gear.
Looking cute, sexy and/or just 'good on the eyes' was always a female thing in these games, and the devs happily provide outfits to accommodate the demand.

It's similar of what you see in malls or shopping stores - Floors upon floors with woman fashion, and maybe a single male oriented one at the top.

Well naturally, closest they'll get to 'sex sells' is vanity items. Leaves much to be desired though when the other half of the spectrum's flavor is serious and broad-shouldered. One like myself tends to grow tired when they are constantly subjected to the same standard on dress code.

[Aniond]

I don't understand this argument. We can already wear clothing based on classic Final Fantasy appearances. That's one of the things this thread demonstrates. However, we can't wear things that have nothing to do with classic FF, like gloves and boots and bunny ears. FF doesn't traditionally treat half it's players like second class citizens just because they picked the incorrect gender that the design team doesn't like to look at as much. That's not 'authentic', that's just weak and has no place in FFXIV. And they're still doing it today!

If I understand your argument. A warrior or pld who always is seen in plate should be seen in a cloth dress? Show me Cecil, or any pld, dry, war, drk in any cloth attire.

Again, I'm not making this about male that wear female clothing. I respect other people choices.

Also you can go buy a vile of fantasia and change every detail of your character.

[Arrius]

Well naturally, closest they'll get to 'sex sells' is vanity items. Leaves much to be desired though when the other half of the spectrum's flavor is serious and broad-shouldered. One like myself tends to grow tired when they are constantly subjected to the same standard on dress code.

It's business as usual, and you look for these cases who will squeeze more off their wallets for the time invested in designing those things. Of course, everyone knows the answer of that. And while SE does throw a bone or two to keep everyone satisfied, they are a profit oriented company and want their assets to bring as much income as possible.

[Serilda]

If I understand your argument. A warrior or pld who always is seen in plate should be seen in a cloth dress? Show me Cecil, or any pld, dry, war, drk in any cloth attire.

That's not what I was saying at all. I'm cool with wearing 'masculine' clothes and I'm cool with wearing 'feminine' clothes; I really don't care either way. Male Elezen look great in robes and also great in plate. The problem with FFXIV is that they arbitrarily lock a bunch of clothes to female-only status without ever making male equivalents, which ends up frustrating people who just want to dress up and be stylish without playing fantasia yo-yo. If they want to just let us wear the skirts - which they already do, most of the time - that avoids having to make new designs and still gives us more glamours. Cool. If they want us to wear strictly 'manly' items instead, that's fine too. Then they should design them and not just keep making sexy dresses for female characters, pretending men don't exist.

I'm not paying them for a fantasia and name change to wreck the character I made. I like being a guy. I don't like being treated as an inferior customer for having chosen a male character in good faith. If they want to treat female characters better, they need to at least admit it instead of going on record as saying your character creation choices don't matter then giving half the players a bunch of bonuses later on (notably, the game originally lacked this peculiar bias, it's a recent thing).