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  1. #21
    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Flower Girl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverquick View Post
    Here's your difference... you can't SEE it as a SMN... because your DoTs don't show in the Battlechat. Nor do they pop huge number over the mob as they're going off... for the record at ilvl 220 mine are ticking for 1100-1500 per tick when stacked. And that's before we get into the other damage I'm doing from the other things, like Ruin III and Painflare, Deathflare and Fester. Or even include Pet damage.

    They both take time for their real damage to kick in... you have to build up to it with BLM the same way you do as a SMN.
    fair enough though.

    you can say Blms big numbers are the actors on stage, while Smns dmg is more backstage. ^^

    yesterday we farmed Zurvan and there was a random Blm which seemed to know what he was doing and me as smn.
    Our dmg were more or less equal and we switched in the parser-dps-check back and forth depending on who made the most movement fails.

    But we almost stick together dmg-wise in every run. Both 275 Anima and I guess (crit/ss) BiS.
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    Last edited by Neela; 04-10-2017 at 06:50 PM.

  2. #22
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    Eiko Makimachi
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    I main SCH and my main caster dps choice was BLM for a very stupid reason: since I play on gamepad both my SCH/SMN hotbars are very similar and since I play SCH for most of the time whenever I switch to SMN I end up pressing wrong buttons thinking I'm still on SCH LOL.

    On a more serious note though, like some people already said SMN requires a lot of pet managing and button pressing which I already do a lot as SCH, so I like playing BLM to change the pace a bit. I also feel I have more control over how much damage I'm doing as BLM than as SMN because I don't have to worry about pet's dps.

    And the feeling of landing a crit Fire IV that kills the boss is awesome.
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  3. #23
    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by eikomakimachi View Post
    And the feeling of landing a crit Fire IV that kills the boss is awesome.
    <3 big numbers

    but have you tried a crit deathflare which kills a 10+ mob instantly - feels pretty satisfying as well
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    Eiko Makimachi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    <3 big numbers

    but have you tried a crit deathflare which kills a 10+ mob instantly - feels pretty satisfying as well
    Deathflare is the reason why I bothered to do all HW job quests for SMN right after I finished my SCH <3
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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by eikomakimachi View Post
    ...because I don't have to worry about pet's dps.
    oh and eiko dont be afraid of pet management - you'll get used to it pretty fast like playing with a tamagotchi :3

    actually you can say the basic atk is just like another dot cause its on a perm autocast, than you have a oGCD aoe skill and one utility skill - not thaaat much to handle if you see them just as a extension to your own toolkit – that being said I have to manage my fairy positions way more manually as my egi positions ^^
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    Last edited by Neela; 04-11-2017 at 06:36 PM.

  6. #26
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    Eiko Makimachi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    oh and eiko dont be afraid of pet management - you'll get used to it pretty fast like playing with a tamagotchi :3

    actually you can say the basic atk is just like another dot cause its on a perm autocast, than you have a oGCD aoe skill and one utility skill - not thaaat much to handle if you see them just as a extension to your own toolkit – that being said I have to manage my fairy positions way more manually as my egi positions ^^
    It's not about being afraid, it's more like "I'm so tired of managing my fairy as SCH that I don't want to have to manage my egis too", I'm just being lazy haha. You have much more control on your dps as BLM pressing less buttons imo.
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    Yui Oshima
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunksFoy View Post
    It takes a pretty excellent smn to pass a good blm in dps.
    Do you actually have data to back that claim up? I am of the opinion that SMN is superior to BLM. I recommend that class more than I would BLM and this is coming from a former BLM. Even then, personal DPS isn't everything, just look at MNK.
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    Last edited by ToasterMan; 04-12-2017 at 10:34 AM.

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    Well I've got BLM to level 54 at this point and honestly its pretty much everything I said earlier...

    The two of them do similar amounts of damage. BLM higher in Single Target, the SMN higher in AoE.

    These are two excellent caster classes and well designed.
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    Gunks Foy
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    Just take a look at FFLogs or the SSS Dps calculator to see that a blm is capable of higher dps. Smn requires MUCH more skill to do high dps than Blm. The fact that Smn does more AoE and Blm does more ST does not mean they do the same damage. You literally confirmed what I said. I never claimed that Smns did less AoE, but as most raid and EX primal scenarios are primarily ST, a blm is going to do more damage. I didn't deny that they are both excellent and viable, I even confirmed that in an earlier post. But saying a Blm and Smn do the same damage is not true, and you shouldn't say it is, especially when you confirmed that they do not in the exact same post.
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    Ashe Sinclair
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    +1 to SMN superiority.

    BLM's numbers are pretty satisfying when you get it right and hit those crits, but it just can't compare to the flexibility, freer movement and utility SMN offers IMO.

    After playing SMN, Enochian makes me want to fling myself out a window.

    Quote Originally Posted by GunksFoy View Post
    But saying a Blm and Smn do the same damage is not true, and you shouldn't say it is, especially when you confirmed that they do not in the exact same post.
    And it's fun when you meet BLMs like this, beat their DPS and watch them cry.
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