Summoner Pets: Quick Fix - Client Sided Summons!

[Blackcanary]

Do we really need another thread about this. There's a old thread compering the summons from FFXI to FF14 and what not. Even with diagrams.

[Empress]

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Um I dont use the forums often i just look in once in a while to read it to see whatsup so Im not sure what that said thread is or explanations. I havent seen anything in a while like that whenever i come on here from time to time, so I only thought it would be okay to have this type of thread. If you dont like it you can just ignore it and move on its not hurting you lol

[basketofseals]

Yes and no, I agree just changing it suddenly would be bad but I dislike hearing this reasoning for future thought changes, as we have a lot of wiggle room given character development - like as the level cap increases. Or through quests. Just don't change it in a patch, as that'd be awkward (and retcon). "Everyone, Egi are now 1000% and no NPC is going to act like its news".

Our reason is that A. its dangerous to summon the full deal and B. we're skimming and not strong / knowledgeable enough to be better (we have a summoner who got bumrushed with too much knowledge too quickly, but I imagine you could easily lore in power efficiency/skill technique over levels rather than all at once as being "safe"/"acceptable").

Obviously A. can never happen without some serious changes to lore, most of which would be retcon. HOWEVER, B. is not forbidden AND the image of the Egi is now written into lore as just an image. What I mean by this is that you can make a green carbuncle shoot out stone or fire projectiles. What this means is the aether image is not 100% pertinent to the actual power of the Egi, the image's power is not related to the power of the actual pet and therefore you could logically and pointlessly suggest "Godzilla, that punches like a small squirrel". Shouldn't make summons their full size because it would be come a burden to party visuals, but you could easily make them a bit bigger/primal like without significant issue.

Therefore within the lore we already have, without retcon, we could exaggerate our aether image and not actually be breaking A. You could "look" like you're summoning something far greater than you actually are, and of course the fact at level cap increases you could add to that wiggle room and just make things more powerful.

Although I'd prefer to just see tiers and gain stronger looking Egi (like Spiritmaster in Aion or Warlock in WoW), but I think everyone has their own preference on summoner at this point.

Anyway, the tl;dr is the image is no longer significantly restricted within our own current lore AND there is wiggle room to expand our actual power within lore as well - so being /stuck/ with our current images is unnecessary as dictated by lore and increasing our Egi resemblance to primals is also not dictated by lore. Just don't kill the planet, don't summon the full "actual" thing, that's it.

A lot of what you're saying is old lore. We've long since learned that there is no "real thing." What we're doing is the same thing as a full blown primal summoning. We're just doing it to a scale that feeds off of our aether rather than the land around us.

[Ririta]

A lot of what you're saying is old lore. We've long since learned that there is no "real thing." What we're doing is the same thing as a full blown primal summoning. We're just doing it to a scale that feeds off of our aether rather than the land around us.

Now that we got over this limitation by channeling Bahamut's aether, I trust there's nothing stopping us from summoning other things or making ours better?

Also the egi glamour quest says that all we had to do was imagine Carbuncle while summoning Ifrit. Doesn't that means that we already have the potential of summoning the image of the real primals?

Here's hoping that summoners gets some love in Stormblood. It's the only thing that still bugs me, I really enjoy the job but it lacks that cool factor.

[odintius]

Well I wouldn't mind if they evolved and change in appearance because your power as a summoner grew making them take a different shape perhap nothing overly huge though >.>

[Shougun]

A lot of what you're saying is old lore. We've long since learned that there is no "real thing." What we're doing is the same thing as a full blown primal summoning. We're just doing it to a scale that feeds off of our aether rather than the land around us.

Huh lol - I missed the part where it's the same thing as summoning the primal, but then that means its even less a reason why we can't empower our image (besides development costs lol). If you get stronger, as everyone will and does, then you can maintain greater Egi from your own aether (even if only temporary).

That was just my point, with the glamour system we have literal proof that the image != the power therefore doing the FFXI "not full power but similar looking" interpretation is 100% within the bounds of FFXIV's current lore (just make sure the change is added within a story so the move forward isn't entirely amiss as a complete reverse change to image). So there is NO lore that blocks the summoners from getting vastly larger summons.

However too large is bad for vision / group play, but we are no where near "too large". And some of that size can be managed through new mechanics/temporary settings. I'm still in awe when I see the larger Warlock summons in WoW, or a bestial wrath pet - never been in awe with the Egi. Although the Bahamut flare is pretty cool, and pretty in line with stupid epic FF SMN visuals so I actually thought when they added that they were actually trying to listen to player feedback. I mean.. Egi still look entirely out of place and bad overall compared to other MMOs and FF's self, but the flare was a great addition imo.