Revelations from Patch 3.56

**VargasVermillion** · 03-29-2017 05:54 AM

I find it odd how the grand companies have jumped to being the aggressors. I mean the only change is that they can take the wall now, and while I get that a lot of ala mhigo was damaged from the fight between omega and shinriyu even if the alliance could take ala mhigo there isn't really anything that could stop them taking it back if we are going by 2 expansions and 1.x of "Eorzea is no match for the empire in a direct fight".

I guess we'll be seeing more deus ex machinas from here on out. It all seems a bit abrupt.

**Rokke** · 03-29-2017 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jem

Yeah, i'm kinda not ok with them casually mentioning that 1.o Yda, our friend (legacy players), died off screen somewhere and was replaced and everyone knew but decided not to tell us.

I'm not sure if players ever met the real Yda. 2.0 took place 5 years after 1.0, and 3.0-3.3 events seemingly played out across a few weeks.

**Rocl** · 03-29-2017 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Rokke

I'm not sure if players ever met the real Yda. 2.0 took place 5 years after 1.0, and 3.0-3.3 events seemingly played out across a few weeks.

Given our current knowledge of events, the only time 1.0 players saw the "real" Yda was in the Echo. Which was most of the time pre-Yoshida; this means most of 1.0 is Lyse. Futures Perfect & anything to do with Dalamud-Darnus-Grand Companies? Lyse.
"I do believe we're dead Papalymo!" ? That's Yda. Yda-Yda should feature in like, approximately 3 quests.

**Jem** · 03-29-2017 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Rocl

Given our current knowledge of events, the only time 1.0 players saw the "real" Yda was in the Echo. Which was most of the time pre-Yoshida; this means most of 1.0 is Lyse. Futures Perfect & anything to do with Dalamud-Darnus-Grand Companies? Lyse.
"I do believe we're dead Papalymo!" ? That's Yda. Yda-Yda should feature in like, approximately 3 quests.

Actually no, it was said that 1 year has pasted since the end of the last umbral era (2.o ending) that lasted for 5 years. So saying Yda died 6 years ago means that for the entirety of 1.o that was Yda-Yda.

**DarthSanguine** · 03-29-2017 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Jem

Yeah, i'm kinda not ok with them casually mentioning that 1.o Yda, our friend (legacy players), died off screen somewhere and was replaced and everyone knew but decided not to tell us.

Actually we 1.0 players never met the real Yda, we only saw her in the Gridania questline Echo visions. The entire game is in a time bubble, so no time has passed since the beginning of ARR (which is complete and utter bs imo).

**Jem** · 03-29-2017 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Rocl

Citation needed. Given the overall strength of the time-bubble so far I'm very skeptical that Carteneau is now six years ago without any fanfare.

It was in the same lore discussion where koji explained the time-bubible you just mentioned. Is it really that hard to believe that all of 2.1 to 3.56, the entire construction of revenants toll and idyllshire took place in at least a year?

**Anonymoose** · 03-29-2017 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by Jem

It was in the same lore discussion where koji explained the time-bubible you just mentioned.

Whereabouts?

Originally Posted by Jem

Is it really that hard to believe that all of 2.1 to 3.56, the entire construction of revenants toll and idyllshire took place in at least a year?

In a sense of events happening temporally, no; not at all. But the whole point of the bending of spacetime is to prevent them from having to update thousands of lines of open-world and context-dependent flavor-text about how long it's been since Ala Mhigo fell, how long it's been since the Battle of Silvertear Skies, how long it's been since the Calamity, how long it's been since the failed summoning of Alexander. And none of those things changed this morning.

The comparison to the Simpsons implies that even though it is easy to believe that it took a year for these events to happen, even though it might be harder to believe otherwise, Bart will always be in 4th Grade. Maggie will always be a baby. Even if you could prove 5,000 days passed, it's still not 13 years, but 1.

With the bubble in place, you always know exactly how long ago something was. There's no chance open-world and fixed-date "old content" will confuse players with their inconsistencies. We just keep shoving days under the bubble. (Which isn't to say you can't interpret it as taking however long you want for you. Ten years? Why not. Use Earth time if you want. But there's no indication that the game itself has left the bubble just yet.)

The most difficult thing for me to believe is that they abandoned all of that without saying anything after so concretely establishing it. We've had debates in defense of time bubble over a dozen times; you name it and someone has used it to challenge the bubble: holiday event, relic arc, new years poem, NPC flavor-text. It bubble withstood all of those, so we just need something more solid and definitive, at least as much as what established it, to abandon it. Perhaps the 51st Bubble Battle will be the one that pops it, I can't say, lol.

The name of the year has changed, but if a movie started in December 2016 and ended in January 2017, it still took only a month, right?

**Belhi** · 03-29-2017 07:28 AM

Honestly I would prefer less time bubble as it makes moment like this harder to figure out. I assume that the Yda we have physically always met was Lyse, but currently we don't know for certain. If they made the date of Yda's death 7 or 8 years prior it might be a bit easier. But 6 puts it very close to the events of the Calamity.

Its going to take me a while to get used to calling her Lyse. From the WoL perspective though Lyse is the only Yda we have known so its not much more than a name change.

**Veritas-Ancora** · 03-29-2017 07:55 AM

Checklist of everything awful in 2.56 story:

- WHY did everyone blindly accept Nero? Did we forget about Crystal Tower and trying to kill us?
- WHY were there opinion options to begin with? Even those felt forced "we have no choice" -- actually...
- WHY was Omega so easily released when Nero could have done it the whole time?
- WHY did we bother convening with the Eorzean alliance? What purposes did they serve?
- WHY Shinryu? I mean it was cool to see, but what does a dragon have to do with Ala Mhigo?
- WHY the convoluted Yda / Lyse story? "Oh hey, surprise, I'm someone else!" Is this an M. Night Shyamalan movie?
- WHY do we not even care about going to Doma? Why was it so forced for us to leave this area?
- WHY wasn't Red Mage even slightly brought into the story? The most anticipated job in the game and not even a mention?

I'm not the least bit excited for Stormblood. I honestly couldn't care about it.

**dalta** · 03-29-2017 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

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besides the nero thing im 100% with you on this.

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