Thread: Revelations from Patch 3.56

Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji

But to answer the question: Draconic aether, and a direct invocation of a draconic primal by the summoner when dictating form. I thought the game was pretty clear on the matter. Honestly, I thought it was a neat new angle of Primal summoning lore, a look at what happens when desperate, erratic dying prayers are harnessed, rather than specific focused ones. I guess it's something you either buy or you don't.

I don't buy it because it goes against what we know about primals thus far. If "draconic aether" is the reason that it is a dragon, then why wasn't Thordan even remotely dragon-like? Why didn't we become dragon-esque when we used Hraesvelgrs eye? The reason is that there is no such thing as "draconic aether" in a real sense, and that aether is aether and draconic aether is just a massively concentrated amount of generic unaspected aether stored within an eye.

As for the summoner dictating form, that doesn't work either, the form comes about in an image dictated by the worshippers, and is not dictated by one person. If everyone was praying for Rhalgar (which is highly likely as their big god deity) and then Ilberd went "I want a dragon", the primal should still come out as Rhalgar, either that or a tiny pitiful dribble of aether dragon fueled by only Ilberds fury, we wouldn't have Shinryu vs Omega, we would have Omega snuffing out a Shinryu-egi.

I am with Kallera on this, I don't get it. The only explanation I have is that Shinryu = Rhalgar. which also doesn't make sense because we see a statue of him in Rhalgars Reach, though Shinryu does seem to have lightning attacks.

On the one hand not having a Steps of Faith type trial is a let down. On the other hand not having the whole Banquet thing repeat itself makes me like this patch better overall compared to 2.55. I do find it interesting that the Garleans actually went and retreated of their own accord: I don't remember any of the XIVth or VIth legions ever abadoning their commander of their own volition. Except Nero, though he wasn't also throwing his own soldiers at us. Both the battle and the little bit of Zenos we saw paint a rather vivid picture: Fear and Might are what keep XIIth going...and Fear of a WoL in a red tank (three times as fast!) is more then whatever Fear they have of Gynewaht. Though I assume he isn't as high as Nero was on the XIIth totem pole?

I'll admit defeat on not calling Shinryu. I also liked the fight between it and Omega. That they both landed over the wall gives the Scions more then enough reason to cross into Ala Mhigan territory. Having the Eorzean Alliance around could also help a bit. Personally I'm thinking we'll end up going to Doma because Shinryu decides to go there after it wakes up again.

Yda not being Yda wasn't the biggest of surprises due to pre-stormblood info. That she somehow kept all that hair under wraps was for some reason. Oh and I like having the little text options still! Yes it ultimately doesn't change anything but it does mean our character atleast has a say in things instead of only blindly following. Also reminds just how much Cid seems to think of us as an actual friend even back when we might have though most characters thought of us as a useful tool.

Gosetsu reminds me of Gilgamesh, and if I remember right the devs said Greg will be returning in Doma. I'm hoping they are both involved in whatever Greg is a part of.

Lastly...I didn't think Papalymo would be dead-dead. In part cause it really felt like he (and Yda/Lyse up until now) were rather under-used even before 2.55 separated everyone. Also do agree that he doesn't seem to be getting as much of a send-off as Moenbyrda, though atleast he'll most likely continue to affect characters into the future more then her.

Originally Posted by Berethos

Agreed - if there was anything that could be described as being enforced it's peace between Dragon and Man. At no point do we try and change the system of government, instead focusing on bringing to light the truth behind the conflict.

The shift in government is on the shoulders of those like Aymeric.

The Warrior of Light - and certain Scions - frequently met with Aymeric and other influential Ishgardians during their time operating out of the city itself. It wasn't wrong to go after the Archbishop and his supporters but to pretend as if it wasn't done - at least in part - to bring forth change is simply false. Even after the Archbishop ceased to be the Warrior of Light actively aided Aymeric in assaulting those who remained loyal to his father's cause. If that isn't classified as actively meddling in political matters and ushering in a new government then I don't know what to say.

Aymeric played a part, certainly, but he leaned upon the Scions and Warrior of Light to ensure his success.

Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

Pretty much this.

The same goes with Igeyorhm. The lore book had some neat background on her, on how she is ashamed and seeks redemption by working even harder for her cause - yet in-game she lacks any such presentation. Depth to both sides is something I appreciate in storytelling, not necessarily "grit" and "edginess."
I think it's fair to want both sides to be equally represented, with our side not always being the squeaky clean victor (which 3.4 and the WoD did a lovely job of and I hope to see more of in the future).

Yep. It would have been very interesting to see her past revealed, perhaps through some sort of vision using the Echo. It's a pretty major plot point for her to be responsible for the creation of the Void but most players are unlikely to ever know about it unless they study the lore book intently. Hopefully Stormblood gives us many more scenes with the antagonists to better explain their motivations, thoughts and feelings. When I think back to my favourite Final Fantasy titles - VII, IX and XII - that was something that was very common and ended up being effective.