New Racers for Final Fantasy XIV

[Vorn]

i think they messed up using races from FF11. when they give FF a number it should be completely new. every other number game has been. the races from 11 should have been used in FF11-2, which we have been told this is not. but its too late for that now.

no i don't think they should use races from other FF games no viera, no ronso. no Burmecian. as much as i like them. they have had there time and should only come up in un-numbered games. leave new numbered FF games to have new races

But everyone having a human in every FF is ok?

Don't most mmo sequels have the same races?

[lackofwords]

But everyone having a human in every FF is ok?

Don't most mmo sequels have the same races?

I think what's the concern about using races from other FF themed series like the Viera from Ivalice themed FF games is that are integrated into that world. Plucking them out, and placing them in Eorzea might give players who've played the previous games a confusion. Heck, even now I still feel like rogadyns are suppose to be galka reincarnating minorities from playing FFXI. For FFXIV I don't even know how to view them, I don't have a sense of their culture yet, and with the female rogadyns being added in it just feels even more awkward.

I shouldn't need to explain this, but humans are used repeatedly throughout a lot of fantasy games, movies, and books, because it's a race we're suppose to be able to identify with. The human character is medium that has been used countless in fictional tales. Thus experiencing a new human culture in fictional work is deemed acceptable.

However, if you were to pull out a distinct fictional race from a series, like the Viera from Ivalice series, then we can only view them as one type of culture, that being the Viera we know in Ivalice. Yes, you can try to re-write their culture like how they are with the races of FFXIV, but it's difficult to forget what they used to be in a previous game.

[Vorn]

I think what's the concern about using races from other FF themed series like the Viera from Ivalice themed FF games is that are integrated into that world. Plucking them out, and placing them in Eorzea might give players who've played the previous games a confusion. Heck, even now I still feel like rogadyns are suppose to be Galka reincarnating minorities from playing FFXI. For FFXIV I don't even know how to view them, I don't have a sense of their culture yet, and with the female rogadyns being added in it just feels even more awkward.

I shouldn't need to explain this, but humans are used repeatedly throughout a lot of fantasy games, movies, and books, because it's a race we're suppose to be able to identify with. The human character a medium that has been used countless in fictional tales. Thus experiencing a new human culture in fictional work is deemed acceptable.

However, if you were to pull out a distinct fictional race from a series, like the Viera from Ivalice series, then we can only view them as one type of culture, that being the Viera we know in Ivalice. Yes, you can try to re-write their culture like how they are with the races of FFXIV, but it's difficult to forget what they used to be in a previous game.

It's not that they lack originality is the point, not that's it's human (IX isn't a human).
but repeating races is an off the wall complaint, seeing as most games repeat them.

Don't think star wars fans are bitching about this, and they have more games with the races, playable or not.

[grandm]

It's not that they lack originality is the point, not that's it's human (IX isn't a human).
but repeating races is an off the wall complaint, seeing as most games repeat them.

Don't think star wars fans are bitching about this, and they have more games with the races, playable or not.

what a mad thing to say. all star wars games storys and even films are connected the storys all spin off for eachother of couse one race that is in one starwars story can be in another, they are part of the same universe.

this is nothing to suggest FF games or storys are connected in this way, and even if they were, the Burmecian from FF9 and the viera from FF12, would be the last race to jump on a rocket to travel to another planet, as they live without technology.

but anyway that is all by the by. all i'm saying is in the FF world there is not the same connection between games as there is in starwars or lord of the rings or any series that uses the same races over and over

[Vorn]

I'm not agaist adding different races, just the compliant on repetition, is silly. Most FF is the same stuff, maybe different name. Having a chocobo, mob, or the same aeons in nearly every game isn't bothering people, and they have been repeated more times than the current races.

[quantumsaint]

what a mad thing to say. all star wars games storys and even films are connected the storys all spin off for eachother of couse one race that is in one starwars story can be in another, they are part of the same universe.

this is nothing to suggest FF games or storys are connected in this way, and even if they were, the Burmecian from FF9 and the viera from FF12, would be the last race to jump on a rocket to travel to another planet, as they live without technology.

but anyway that is all by the by. all i'm saying is in the FF world there is not the same connection between games as there is in starwars or lord of the rings or any series that uses the same races over and over

Nojima said FFX and FFVII are connected, and Dissidia pushes the notion even further, connecting many of the games together.

[lackofwords]

It's not that they lack originality is the point, not that's it's human (IX isn't a human).
but repeating races is an off the wall complaint, seeing as most games repeat them.

Don't think star wars fans are bitching about this, and they have more games with the races, playable or not.

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by "It's not that they lack originality is the point?" Do you mean "It's not that, they lack originality is the point" or "It's not that they lack originality, is the point"?

However, the post above me already mentioned, Star Wars is a telling of the Star War's "Universe". Final Fantasy series has stories of various different universes that doesn't co-exist with each other.

Thus, you have to re-brand the race/culture, just like how they are re-branding all the races from FFXI. Their only reasoning given to doing so was for ease of transition between FFXI players who have become attached to their characters. However, they had no intent to keep the races' culture from FFXI. I can't imagine them wanting to re-brand races from other FF games to incorporate into FFXIV.

Don't mistake a continuity of universes throughout FF series because of recycling iconic creatures, monsters, vehicles, and names. Such as chocobos, bombs, airships, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games.

[Vorn]

Your pulling it apart pretty much opposite of the point. People arnt tired of having the same race with the same job, with the same objective, in that instance.

[grandm]

Your pulling it apart pretty much opposite of the point. People arnt tired of having the same race with the same job, with the same objective, in that instance.

nobody said ppl are, either you just arn't getting my point, or you just don't want to get my point. at this stage i dont think anything i or any1 else says is going to get you to see what i/we mean.

all you need to know. my point about wishing they had made new races for FF14 is valid, and not unreasonable going on previous FF titles. they didn't make new races so its fine its not the end of the world, and i'm not so upset about it that i will rage quit, and although i really hope they don't do as the thread asks and implement races from other FF games like the viera. it wouldn't be the end of the world if they did and i would live with it. all i was doing was giving my reasons for not wanting them to.

[Bowen]

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by "It's not that they lack originality is the point?" Do you mean "It's not that, they lack originality is the point" or "It's not that they lack originality, is the point"?

However, the post above me already mentioned, Star Wars is a telling of the Star War's "Universe". Final Fantasy series has stories of various different universes that doesn't co-exist with each other.

Thus, you have to re-brand the race/culture, just like how they are re-branding all the races from FFXI. Their only reasoning given to doing so was for ease of transition between FFXI players who have become attached to their characters. However, they had no intent to keep the races' culture from FFXI. I can't imagine them wanting to re-brand races from other FF games to incorporate into FFXIV.

Don't mistake a continuity of universes throughout FF series because of recycling iconic creatures, monsters, vehicles, and names. Such as chocobos, bombs, airships, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games.

That's not necessarily the case. We know that Spira is a planet where Shinra, an Al-bhed child's descendants learned how to travel through space to other planets. One planet we know they inhabited is the same one in FFVII, and so the story continues.
Who is to say that the universes that each world in Final Fantasy is in isn't actually one universe? If I recall correctly, in Dissidia Final Fantasy the warriors were never mentioned to come from different universes, but only from different worlds.
We just don't know.