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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter View Post
    My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment. Buck all the excuses, and reasonings as to why Tanaka did it. It remains; the precedent is there.
    Your opinion about how it does not break the continuity in other FF games is fine.
    What I'm saying in my opinion, just because they can do it, does not mean it is a good idea. And gave reasons for my opinion as to why. As well as several other people replied for both sides.

    There's plenty of opinions of both sides, but it is not a rebuttal if you keep reverting to your original opinion.

    Here are some thought through opinions from both sides;
    • [SIZE="5"]Does not break the continuity in other FF games;[/SIZE]
      Quote Originally Posted by Baxter View Post
      I am about to blow your minds. XIV has rolanberries, a noxious invasive from rolanberry fields. A different world.
      Blown.
      Quote Originally Posted by Baxter View Post
      My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment.
    • [SIZE="5"]Has no design value to reuse these races in a new environment;[/SIZE]
      Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
      Using races from the Middle Eastern and African inspired Ivalice doesn't make much sense for the Northern Europe and North American inspired Eorzea.
      Quote Originally Posted by lackofwords View Post
      The races for FFXI were crafted with the design of the nations, they were molded to fit the story of the nation and plot. Humes, elvaan, and tarus were races built upon a nation, mithras were mostly migrated over and formed communities within forest-like locations such as Windurst and Khazham, galka lost their homeland and reside with humes. They had culture and history relating in the development of their nation and beliefs. And when yanked out, and slapped into FFXIV they are nothing but another anonymous dude in game.
    • [SIZE="5"]FFXIV races are re-branded new races;[/SIZE]
      Quote Originally Posted by MeowMeow View Post
      FFXIV races are not the same as FFXI. They are modeled to look very similar, yes, but they are not the same in any other means. They all have their own, unique lore.
    • [SIZE="5"]Re-branding does not make people forget the previous brand;[/SIZE]
      Quote Originally Posted by lackofwords View Post
      Re-branding the race creates mixed feelings for people who have experienced that race in another game in a completely different way and context. A similar feeling you get from "type-casted" actors appearing playing different roles that you are not accustomed to them playing.
    • [SIZE="5"]Final Fantasy Branding;[/SIZE]
      Quote Originally Posted by Baxter View Post
      What also makes people have mixed feelings is to stray so far from the 'feel' of the entire series. If you are going to try to return the installation to a stead and true ff series feel, stop trying to be so variably different from everything, even your own brand. This goes for the subject of races, and beyond.
      Quote Originally Posted by Andrien View Post
      We'll be getting more like this from other Final Fantasy titles to "Feel" like a Final Fantasy game. Just like Moogles and Magitech armor.
      Quote Originally Posted by Baxter View Post
      They have all these great ideas from past iterations (not just xi their entire catalogue) to create a lush, fun, lorefilled, unique playing environment, but seem to refuse to do so. It leaves fans and on lookers alike stumped, baffled, and screaming 'wtf are you doing???'.
    • [SIZE="5"]Ivaliace races not considered as the FF brand as a whole;[/SIZE]
      Quote Originally Posted by Jennestia View Post
      Ivalice is a sprawling world through multiple games and even a different game series (Final Fantasy Tactics/XII/TTAdvance/Vagrant Story), how would they explain races from a complete, different and unique world and timeline appearing in FFXIV? Bangaa are generally the "meh" race and merchants, so that would be fairly easy to fit in, but Eorzea isn't Ivalice nor is it anywhere near Ivalice. It's not like them having a Cid in every FF game.

      That's why they'd have no place showing up here, because they're all confined perfectly to their respective game's storyline.
      Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
      The only races that are reused in the main FF games are humans, elves, dwarfs, and the various trope monsters the series is known for.

      Being that 14 is a spiritual sequel to 11 and they decided to use races that would help attract the FF11 crowd, it's an understandable exception.
      It also cheapens the original games. Not so much cheapening XIV, but more so XII and the other Ivalice games, it makes them less unique, and that's Ivalice's best feature.
      Quote Originally Posted by lackofwords View Post
      What has been branding FF games, are recurring creatures vehicles, characters, and names. Such as chocobos, moogles, slime, bombs, cactuar, airships, Cait Sith, Ifrit, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games rather than the races of Ivalice.

      The races of Ivalice, appears only in "Ivalice Universe" based FF games for a reason. They are all residing in the same world, they are part of the elements that creates the cultures and society of the world Ivalice. It is not branding for the entire FF series, it is to hold continuity for the Ivalice Universe.
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