Why are summoners so neglected?

[Celef]

Why I don't get is why do we not use our summons.
I mean, we summon one, that spam the same attack over and over and we use diseases do DPS.

Why can't we have the abilities and "micro" summon our pet when we use them ?
Like, i use my ice attack, shiva appears to use it then disappear, thenn re-appears etc etc

Pretty much this ! (Yuna from Dissidia)


In combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgzIOiXemY

THAT is a summoner that summons ! And it would deffinetly make me go back to SMN !

[Zhamkyong]

Why I don't get is why do we not use our summons.
I mean, we summon one, that spam the same attack over and over and we use diseases do DPS.

Why can't we have the abilities and "micro" summon our pet when we use them ?
Like, i use my ice attack, shiva appears to use it then disappear, thenn re-appears etc etc

Pretty much this ! (Yuna from Dissidia)


In combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgzIOiXemY

THAT is a summoner that summons ! And it would deffinetly make me go back to SMN !

He, i remember playing with her a lot in the PSP. I would gladly play a summoner with that kind of skill set even if they throw the pets out of the window in the process.

[Azuta]

Mmm I remember in 1.0 that we voted and pleaded for a pet job only to get well this mess of a summoner iteration. I mean sure its competent dps and quite up there. However aesthetically death flare is about as flashy as it gets.

I mean I literally do not know why they havn't just done away with the egis at this point. It is quite obvious that even the dev team have no idea what to do with the damn things and they have no real purpose other then throwing off the occasional skill and auto attacking.

Dragoon gets its jumps, Paladin gets to even gets cover, black mages get fire,blizzard and thunder to great effect, white mages get cures all over the place. Yeah summoners we get some crappy piss poor pet gameplay that at this point could be cut from the class as a whole. I guess they are good for soloing dungeons and potd maybe the egis?

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Anyways at this point I have given up any hope of getting a proper pet job in summoners and quite frankly at this point. I am likely gonna ditch the job for samurai or red mage...that at least look like they represent there previous incarnations well.

I hope sometime down the line we get beastmaster comes out. I mean if there copying a lot of wow jobs anyway. Then beast master might actually act like a hunter from wow and will get a proper pet job! ^^

[MagiusNecros]

Buff Titan Egi.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Why I don't get is why do we not use our summons.
I mean, we summon one, that spam the same attack over and over and we use diseases do DPS.

Why can't we have the abilities and "micro" summon our pet when we use them ?
Like, i use my ice attack, shiva appears to use it then disappear, thenn re-appears etc etc

Pretty much this ! (Yuna from Dissidia)


In combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgzIOiXemY

THAT is a summoner that summons ! And it would deffinetly make me go back to SMN !

That would actually be pretty sick.

[Eloah]

I didn't read every post because...

For the love of F**king god enough of these threads already. Does Summoner have some issues, yes, but they aren't as bad as, the fricken loud vocal MINORITY, is making it out to be. Should we have gotten more egis, yes, is SE trying to maintain balance and make the Summoner job that feels both familiar and fresh, yes, will we hopefully get a nice rework when Stormblood releases, maybe. But, for the love of god, if all you are going to do is bitch and moan, then either don't play Summoner or don't play the game at all. I'm not saying you can find fault with the job, I even find faults, and have expressed them, but I am tired of seeing; "split SCH/SMN already" "the devs don't know what they are doing" "it's not a real Summoner" you whiney babies have just gotten use the recent flashiness of the more modern games. Summoners back in the old games were just as "boring" as they are now. And for those of you with "Rose-tinted Glasses" about the "nostalgia" that is XI, fricken take them off already, because I asked around and hey guess what, "IT WAS THE SAME FRICKEN THING AS XIV's" the main difference being the pet was bigger, that is all. So before you post on any more of these, "I want a True Summoner job" threads, pull your head out of your ass first.

Oh and for those of you who posted here but had legitimate reasons to find fault with the job, I apologies, this post is not aimed at you. I am just annoyed right now at other things, and seeing another one of these stupid threads set me off.

What counts as a viable concern: Egi viability, Egi variety, Aethertrail stack management, useless/unused skills
What does not count: Larger Egis (they gave a legitimate reason so shut up), SCH/SMN split, not being a "true" Summoner, the "flashiness" of the job.

[Leigaon]

Why I don't get is why do we not use our summons.

While that is good, and I like the idea. I could see performance issues, but maybe you have a good suggestion on how to fix that. We'd loose our pet too? I don't know, it is a good starting point though.

so they function exactly the same? why does SMN get multiple animations for the same attack?...

That's always been the bigger issue for me is that the vocal ones want something that is pretty and do not care about functional or have given up.

"I want Ifrit..no..FIRE KITTY!" and on the side lines I'm yelling "wait, before that...Radiant Shield is for Ifrit only..lets make it party wide" so I was happy when they changed that.

It still is around. "Titan egi is ugly..give me...rock Quokka!" happy lil nugget! ...while I'm all for that I'd like Titan to get a boost itself into party play first.

...And for those of you with "Rose-tinted Glasses" about the "nostalgia that is XI, fricken take them off already, because I asked around and hey guess what, "IT WAS THE SAME FRICKEN THING AS XIV's"...

I'll admit I used to be one of those "Give me Ifrit! Give me Crimson Howl!" then I remember, I don't want to go back to those times. The job itself took too long to develop and in the end it wasn't as great as I remember it when I get to look back.

Ifrit gets summoned, fire circles the ground and he comes up roaring flexing his muscles, just looks evil. Use burning strike, charges up a fire ball meteor and throws it at a bunny in Cape Teriggan. Misses...bunny looks at Ifrit, turns his head almost upside down like Stewie "Who the hell do you think you are?!" Dust Kick! Critical! Double foot attack to the shins, critical! Ifrit dies! He turns to you "You're next..." and you try to summon but you get interrupted as you realize aquaveil does nothing but give you false hope. You die..you level down..you cry...and that's summoner.

Plus there's so much buffing but this isn't a game where we enhance so much we do combos to gain higher attack. Would be nice if we had a lot more party buffs that lasted longer or could be adjusted to last longer.

[Laerune]

I think instead of having summon be pets, maybe they should have made summons work like the older Final Fantasy games? An example: Summoner casts an fire based attack, Ifrit (the primal version) shows up does the fire attack and then goes *POOF* again. This way:

1. We can have an detailed good looking primal. Since the summon will go away after attacking, there wont be alot of them at the same time on the screen for a long duration.
2. Since abilities are tied to the summons, when a Summoner casts an Ice attack, Shiva shows up and casts the attack, when the Summoner casts Lightning attack, Ramuh shows up and casts the attack.

This way we will have few things that the playerbase likes to see:

1. Primals as summons and not weird chicken mcnuggets thingy.
2. Since the Primal will go away after doing its attack, the screen will not be full with them and lorewise they wont be draining alot of Aether.
3. There is no reason to add more summons to the game, since instead of summons being an tank, melee dps and ranged dps, this time they are tied to skills directly.

[Ralts]

The community is whining because SMN was boring and badly designed, especially in 2.0. That doesn't mean to regret ever making it, it means to improve.

You're so right about this one.
I started playing the game in 2.0, only because I saw the SMN class, and it was everything I hope it not turn out to be; Like my Egi's just there, only to be buffed and has its contagion used every after rotation.

Also, the SMN's high percentage on the DPS chart's only high, because it's branded with the name Summoner; because of its aesthetic. SMNs in reality are just another MMO's copy-paste Warlock, branded with a very appealing name to cater to FF fans.

[Celef]

While that is good, and I like the idea. I could see performance issues, but maybe you have a good suggestion on how to fix that. We'd loose our pet too? I don't know, it is a good starting point though.

What kind of issues ? you mean regarding material config ? With PS3 drop they already warned us that we might need to upgrade our machines ^^"
We'd loose them yes but do we really need to have them with us all the time considering how they look like ^^"