Why are summoners so neglected?

[Greedalox]

You're just trolling dude, and I took the bait.

Should've been clear when you started saying that Deathflare wasn't a copy paste.

To be fair I thought you were referring to the poster as a copy paster. That's why I referred to it as the "Deathflare post". But I did in the next post immediately say that it was from T13 so I don't know why you just kind of went off on me when there was obviously some inconsistency with what we were talking about.

But sure enough, you're on the defensive so not much use continuing anything with you. You're just a ball of vitriol at this point. :3

[Magic-Mal]

Yeah, he means the class that forcefully got their "Summons" overwritten with the Egis, when leveling up despite the "New" summons being a carbon copy of the old Carby but with SLIGHTLY higher potency.

Got a problem with it?? :0

Yeah I do. Because *I* like the way SMN is. And think it should stay the same. I like having a job I can play instead of watch.

[Ririta]

Yeah I do. Because *I* like the way SMN is. And think it should stay the same. I like having a job I can play instead of watch.

People aren't asking for that though, having a higher focus on pets doesn't means that you just stand back and watch.

To be fair I thought you were referring to the poster as a copy paster. That's why I referred to it as the "Deathflare post".

But sure enough, you're on the defensive so not much use continuing anything with you. You're just a ball of vitriol at this point. :3

If you notice you're the only one that ever made me lose my patience, but suit yourself.

[Greedalox]

If you notice you're the only one that ever made me lose my patience, but suit yourself.

And all it took was literally zero effort in the trolling department (Because there was none), and an idea you disagreed with. Capital!

[Parodine]

Quit SMN then. It's not going to change into a completely different job in Stormblood. Probably never will. It's not what Yoshi wants and apparently, 20% of DPS players agree.

Weren't part of those stats from people that just had the job leveled? And since leveling SCH to 60 also levels SMN it's a bit...skewed?

[Ama_Hamada]

Yoshida plays black mage. Ergo, black mage must get cool, new things every xpac.
Yoshida hates bard. Bard gets nerfed into oblivion and turned into a ghetto bow mage. Still not as good as black mage.
Summoner is also a ranged caster/ We can't have them being better than black mage. They get no new summons. We'll add different shades of lipstick to put on the samepig, and they'll like it. Or maybe they'll get the hint and switch to black mage.
Yoshida likes PvP. Can't have a tank that's hard to kill. Paladin gets zero magic mitigation. Easy pickin's for black mage.
Hmm, there seems to be a pattern here...

lol? do you even play PvP? first off tanks are hard as hell to kill, you are not doing it alone. Second off PLD is insanely OP with stun spam ability, and lastly BLM is the most easiest thing to pick off in PvP, they have zero ways to defend themselves and protect themselves. Sleep? purify, sleep again? now its gimp, byebye. I do not think BLM can win vs anything in duels either.

[Magic-Mal]

People aren't asking for that though, having a higher focus on pets doesn't means that you just stand back and watch.

Well what do you want then? What do you want that will successfully blend with FFXIV's SMN? From what I can tell, you want pets to mostly dominate the focus of the SMN with the actual SMN not doing much. How can you get that concept to blend into our SMN without an entire overhaul?

Weren't part of those stats from people that just had the job leveled? And since leveling SCH to 60 also levels SMN it's a bit...skewed?

Don't forget you have to unlock SMN first! Leveling a SCH to 60 will make your SMN to 60 if you actually unlocked SMN.

[Ririta]

Well what do you want then? What do you want that will successfully blend with FFXIV's SMN? From what I can tell, you want pets to mostly dominate the focus of the SMN with the actual SMN not doing much. How can you get that concept to blend into our SMN without an entire overhaul?

There are a lot of spells in Heavensward that could've reacted to the pets instead of ourselves, for example, making Enkindle have the role that Painflare currently has (cost 1 Aetherflow stack of a low cooldown, high damage burst), Dreadwyrm Trance replacing your pet with Bahamut egi for its duration (with higher damage than the regular egis), Deathflare being casted by said Bahamut egi. Casting Ruin III during Dreadwyrm Trance could add damage buffs to Bahamut egi. Instead of Tri Disaster, it could've been an unique cooldown buff that depends on your pet (for example, Garuda egi = haste buff for target and her, Ifrit egi = attack buff for the melee close to him and Titan egi = damage reduction for you and him). This would even allow for more pets with different kinds of buffs (or even debuffs, say, a Ramuh egi could lower the target's magic defense).

Those things wouldn't require an overhaul but would make the pets more important to us and open the room for more. Personally I enjoy the DOT gameplay style, but I dislike that Yoshida is moving further away from egis (to the point of not adding more) and trying to turn us BLM-lite 0 the HW spells lacks direction, they feel like they're just damage dumps to keep our DPS competitive (I mean, look at Painflare...)

I realize that everyone has their own idea of the perfect summoner, but to me, I want them to go back into the direction that they set out at first with ARR. There weren't many, but we had some pet interactivity and the promise of receiving more. I enjoy pet classes so the idea of never getting more pets, never getting more pet skills and never getting more skills that enhance our pets is just unsettling and goes against what 2.0 SMN was about.

[Magic-Mal]

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Lv50-57 SMN was unbearably boring to me. I hated being stuck to just: DoTs -> Ruin II. I actually enjoyed SMN alot before I found out Ifrit sucked. Because I was controlling what Ifrit was doing and using his utilities. So it kinda filled the gap. Then I realized Garuda was best because of Contagion which meant I could not longer have my pet on Sic. Because Garuda uses stuff whenever she wants. And even worse, she offers no utility.

No stun like Ifrit
No counter shield like Ifrit
Ifrit is physically stronger
Ifrit is unique compared to Summon I/II

But because of poor balance, Garuda is a must have. If they remove Contagion, Garuda will be garbage. Titan is in a good spot right now though at least. But he seriously needs Provoke.

Anyway.. once I got Dreadwrym Trance SMN was amazing to me. I love interactive jobs. I liked being able to attack. And I don't want that taken away. I actually adore pets/companions in games. But I don't like the idea of the pet controlling me.. and I certainly don't like not being able to defend myself.

[Nerisu]

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Before they do stuff like that they need to do something with the delay on pet commands first. It would suck if the egi misses the trance timer because it thinks its auto attack is more important than Deathflare. I'm not against more pet interaction but it's just too unreliable right now.