Why are summoners so neglected?

[KokonoeAiyoko]

We all have our opinions on Summoner's implementation in this game and that's fine! I just wanted to point out that there's a misconception on what some people are actually wanting from SMN. We're wanting not merely just how Summons were back in the day (FF3-FF6, etc), but how they were in Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy XI. As in, the type of Summoner where they fight alongside you and you control them as a pet job, not particularly a spell based job.

Stuff like this:

[LunarEmerald]

Anything over 700 SS is a waste of critical or determination points.

I'm at 1120 critical +food
812 determination
712 Spell Speed.
For my own liking this is optimal. I can fit perfectly 6 R3.

Back to the topic, it would be better to actually have the Egis actions rather than having the pets

Or something like

Ifrit stance
Garuda stance
Titan stance

(Maybe one day Ramuh Shiva etc etc stances)

So this way we open another channel to recruit new summons as their stances.hope it makes sense

At 700 SS, your dots have a multiplier of 1.04.
At 972 SS, your dots have a multiplier of 1.08.

When you consider how many dot ticks you get in a battle, it makes a decent difference.

You never lose critical hit points because you never prioritize spell speed over it. All you lose is determination and spell speed is weighted slightly higher.

[Mature]

At 700 SS, your dots have a multiplier of 1.04.
At 972 SS, your dots have a multiplier of 1.08.

When you consider how many dot ticks you get in a battle, it makes a decent difference.

You never lose critical hit points because you never prioritize spell speed over it. All you lose is determination and spell speed is weighted slightly higher.

Exactly but for the sake of 0.4 (and nearly 200 points into det) I wouldn't even bother to me is a total waste. I treasure my fester and R3 damage.

[Eloah]

I did; that's why I think that Thunder IV will be possible to exist now as it would be just an animation upgrade.

If they are removing Thunder II and III, I don't get how they would have a Thunder IV. Even if they turn them into traits, you'd still need a II and III, before IV becomes a thing.

[MagiusNecros]

If they are removing Thunder II and III, I don't get how they would have a Thunder IV. Even if they turn them into traits, you'd still need a II and III, before IV becomes a thing.

Yeaaaaaah. Kinda why I have reservations about that. I kinda feel the BLM's aren't getting their tier 4 Thunder. Removing T2/T3 yet keeping Fire2-4/Bliz2-4.

Yeah that just sounds idiotic.

[Ama_Hamada]

You mean SMN's that don't know what they're doing put DoTs on and spam Ruin.

My rotation. It may not 100% accurate to what I do but I know it's close.

forgot obey:
https://youtu.be/eHTCwDXVeWY?t=89

I doono my friend likes SMN in general but can't play it in this game. She can easily use her blm gear for it, even use same sub stats but simply frustrated and up in arms in what to do and does not like the button mashing of all the different spells and wish it was more pet based.

[Silverquick]

Yeah I do. Because *I* like the way SMN is. And think it should stay the same. I like having a job I can play instead of watch.

I do too, honestly...

This is a strong, powerful, viable Job.... very versatile and with a lot of capabilities built into it from various angles. I truly do like this job. Its my main for a reason. I like the gameplay, the mechanics, and the book... here's not much wrong with the class in my mind.

[Lambdafish]

Meanwhile... can I have fairy glamour please?

Dreadwyrm trance was a step in the right direction, summoners can literally summon bahamut. All you need to do is tweak animations to look more epic, add more trances, and make summoners feel like the are embuing the power of summons, and what you have is a SMN plays the same, and feel like a summoner.

[Iromi]

Why don't they just give us Contagion instead of garuda...it seems like a simple fix.^^

[MagiusNecros]

Why don't they just give us Contagion instead of garuda...it seems like a simple fix.^^

Because it also provides 33% of your total damage as a glorified DoT.