Thread: Warriors & Mass-pulling

Just straight up large pack of mobs?
Vengeance, Bloodbath, and lots of Overpower. An Inner Beast if you're truly feeling the hurts.
Feast upon your fallen enemies.

Originally Posted by Knahli

Pretty much ^^a It's the long term Best->Good->Okay defensive/counter buffs that I have trouble understanding where to fit in when it comes to that.

So I'd save Berserk and the more intense Overpower+Bloodbath spam for when Vengeance wears off and I do what with my stacks exactly? Save them for Inner Beast in case I need it? Pop Steel Cyclone mindlessly? Or switch out to Deliverance and use Decimation while Bloodbath+Berserk is up?

Combine Vengeance with Berserk and Bloodbath, then just OP spam (after swapping to Deliverance). When Zerk is about to end, use Decimate then either swap to Defiance during Pacification window or just continue with Deliverance. Also make sure to have Internal Release and Maim up too. Also if you have it slotted, Second Wind when used under Zerk can give you a big self heal to offset the incoming damage.

If many remain after that, what would follow those? Raw intuition & Awareness? Convalescence? Or should any of those have been paired off with the previous step?

Once you've gone through the Veng/Zerk/BB phase you should have: a) Raw Int. + Awareness (+Foresight), and b) Thrill of Battle (+Convalescence). If you've switched back to Defiance then you also have Inner Beast and Equilibrium. Depending on the amount of enemies left and their remaining HP, you might prefer to save the first two options for the next big pull (if there is one before the boss) and just decide to use Foresight only, or Foresight + Convalescence, or just switch to Defiance for Inner Beast and/or Equilibrium.

Originally Posted by FeliAiko

Combine Vengeance with Berserk and Bloodbath, then just OP spam (after swapping to Deliverance). When Zerk is about to end, use Decimate then either swap to Defiance during Pacification window or just continue with Deliverance. Also make sure to have Internal Release and Maim up too. Also if you have it slotted, Second Wind when used under Zerk can give you a big self heal to offset the incoming damage.



Once you've gone through the Veng/Zerk/BB phase you should have: a) Raw Int. + Awareness (+Foresight), and b) Thrill of Battle (+Convalescence). If you've switched back to Defiance then you also have Inner Beast and Equilibrium. Depending on the amount of enemies left and their remaining HP, you might prefer to save the first two options for the next big pull (if there is one before the boss) and just decide to use Foresight only, or Foresight + Convalescence, or just switch to Defiance for Inner Beast and/or Equilibrium.

Thank you very much! I appreciate your help ^^

Shamelessly off-topic and seeing as how it's kind of already answered but

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Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

how does 1 mass-pull with WAR ro begin with?

It takes time to build up to that burst, that's the first thing to keep in mind. a mass pull is divided into 3 parts as a WAR: aggro establishment, stack building, and the actual burst.

When I mass pull, I run through mobs at first and flash as I run to the next pull. Once I'm at the end, I pop vengeance or conva+ToB right away, before the mobs pile on and start dealing lots of damage. At this point, I build stacks by only using storm's eye combo to keep maim up for the upcoming burst, but I use flash in between maybe once or twice, depending on how much aggro is being generated by the party. Some WARs opt for OP over flash for aggro establishment, but I find it trickier to manage an entire mosh pit with a cone aoe instead of flash's easy circle aoe.

You want to build 4 stacks of wrath. Pop bloodbath before you hit the 3rd stack, and internal release before the 4th stack. Once you hit 4 stacks, switch to deliverance and use berserk. You will be at 5 stacks, so use decimate+infuriate+decimate, and OP spam. maim, berserk, bloodbath and vengeance alone give you tons of self-sustain. add in the burst from decimate and OP spam, and you've got a formula for a successful mass pull.

Alternatively, if your party dps is really good, you can skip the stack building. if that's the case, establish aggro then throw up maim, berserk, and bloodbath and OP spam in deliverance. Pop infurate before berserk ends for a single decimate.

Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

This actually seems like a relevant topic to ask this in, I hope. I always hate making new threads...

On the topic of mass-pulling with WAR... It's far and away my least played tanks and I actually don't really know how to use it very proficiently in content due to that. So... how does 1 mass-pull with WAR ro begin with?


That is to say... How do I somehow manage to spam OP, generate 6+ stacks, AND use maim all at the same time? I never understood this. Is there a rotation for pulling on WAR?

I know, I must sound like a genuine sprout status tank, but I genuinely haven't used WAR that much beyond getting it to 60. I'm just too used to DRK and PLD

First pull more often than not you won't have 5 stacks unless you properly prepare for it. I.E As you're running and picking up pack by pack, you heavy swing and target and then maim just before you hit your stop point. This is more or less facepulling and is determined by your party composition and the competence of your healers to not heal/regen you. You can sprinkle Flash/Overpower as you pull along if you want to have a slight hold on the mobs incase your party jumps the gun or if you have a MNK who is prepping grease lightning.

At your destination you would then turn and face the mob that is coming at you with 2+ stacks and maim up, to which you then abandon the combo and go straight into overpower spam. You don't want to burn your decimate straight away since more often than not, you will want the 4-10% crit buff you get from Abandon stacks to give you more overall damage and lifesteal through bloodbath.

Obvious cd usage such as Berserk > Vengeance+Bloodbath > Optional RI+Awareness if you need the stack > Thrill of Battle + Convalescence > RI+Awareness if you didn't use it earlier for the stack > Foresight to make the healer's life easy.

Drop your Decimate > Infuriate > Decimate before your Berserk expires or the mobs are about to die (40-20% HP left), whichever comes first.

This can be done without entering Defiance at all. If you feel your healer isn't up to snuff at some point, quickly swap into Defiance and Equilibrium to help them out.

If your TP getting to the point you can't spam anymore and you don't expect any TP support, you can do single target to prepare stacks for Boss Unchained or next Big pull.