Please put relevant tomes in Main Scenario Roulette

[Yurimi]

My FC just takes new people through CM and PT for their first time so they can enjoy the cutscenes and fights. We show them the pulls they can expect and teach them how things work. The DF is far too annoying to let someone go in their their first time using it. As far as changing what tomes, I like it how it is. No need to make something that is going to funel the "experts" into it and ruin new players experiences.

[Mycow8me]

How would adding lores to the roulette start making the other roulettes inefficient... I would really like to understand what you were thinking behind this statement.

I don't see how it could make it any worse than it already is. People want to blaze through expert roulette, people want to blaze through 60 roulette, people want to blaze through 50 roulette, its not a problem created by the roulette rewards. Its a problem created by the system itself and playerbase. The only thing adding lore to the rewards would obviously do is increase the amount of people wanting to que for it. This could bring more good players and it could bring more bad players, if you focus on the negatives... You aren't going to find good in anything. I would think people farming for relic are the people with a godly amount of patience in the first place seeing as how they subject themselves to the torture (yes I am one of them).

[Ama_Hamada]

I think people are just auguring to argue or that they really do not understand what is being said.

1. They are already pulled at max speed while ignoring people in cut scenes.
2. doing all the roulettes is manageable, in at around 2 hours, the bonuses are nice.
3. They could just give the same as leveling, 100 lore and 5 script along with the poetics.

With that said, ST stuff still is in need more with being addressing, maybe make a raid roulette and giving a bonus for it. The same applies to the old 8 Alexander's, very hard to find a group even with pf shouting with bonus come get it.

[BigRed5392]

hey guys, people were speed running cm and prae since it came out. I see no issue with this suggestion.

heck even add it to the dungeons, (as in boss rewards) people complain about the weirdest things. lore farm can be tedious to just hit 60 players as not a lot of stuff open gives lore, updating gear isn't all that easy as you need to pick and choose between lore gear and relic stuff. And with oil still being 700 lore... it isn't easy for a fresh 60 to keep up.


it funny how "for the new players" people are being yet it is the same people who complain when they get cm and prae and speed run it telling players to skip cs.

again this was going on since the content was new.

[Vivi_Bushido]

Well yes, I see it happening literally every day. They do it for the new player bonus. Or just because they like playing with new people. Or because they're helping a friend or need the same dungeon themselves. I've done it myself plenty of times, and I'm no saint. Not everyone refuses to play the game unless they're motivated by a few extra scripture tomes.

It doesn't even matter anymore. The new player experienced was ruined when players began to expect them to skip cutscenes. There's literally nothing you can do to help new players enjoy this content because It's either they burden the party and make everyone wait on them watching the CS or they skip it so they can fight an extremely easy burnable boss that would otherwise be dead before they even got there. This is not a toxic player behavior issue, it's just bad game design. The damage to ruin the new player experience is already done. Better to add lore tomes to it, to increase the queue times rather than making new players have to wait awful queue times for what is going to be an awful first time experience regardless. With that said, the queues will be further worsen with the implementation of jump potions. New players might be lucky to get a queue at all for this if SE doesn't add more rewards.

As much as I would hate to lose the source of Poetics for relic, I REALLY think they should convert these two raids into solo duties. It is disgusting that a new player basically stops to watch the first cut scene, and by the time it's over the whole raid has been cleared. This is a critical chunk of the story, players should be able to enjoy it.

Who says you have to lose Poetics? Why not just reward both sets of tomes? There's plenty of other roulettes that already do this. The idea is to not remove the rewards but rather increase the incentive.

[MicahZerrshia]

I don't run main scenario either because there is no incentive. Even poe for relics since blue scrips are much more efficient and quick. If they added lore, sure, them I could have used for relics.

The only downside to adding lore as a roulette bonus would be....ummm.....hmmmmm....is there one?

You can cast aside the attempts at armchair psychology.

I do not think that means what you think that means.

[Paladinleeds]

I am gonna have to throw my ring into the "Make it Solo" hat. They learned their lesson from it in future dungeons. If we made this Solo with some NPCs instead of players, I'm sure it would be a relatively quick fix. And it would mean that players that want the story CAN take it at their own pace.

[Felis]

Just put in gates that only open up if everyone finished the current CS. Like we see in the later dungeons, gates help against speed runs.

I am gonna have to throw my ring into the "Make it Solo" hat. They learned their lesson from it in future dungeons. If we made this Solo with some NPCs instead of players, I'm sure it would be a relatively quick fix. And it would mean that players that want the story CAN take it at their own pace.

That would remove some fun out of those instances, like playing with cannons while the tanks pull a whole army to them.

I would have thought it obvious - it's inefficient in the sense that if the bonus is equal to or greater than what a higher level roulette option offers then there's a good chance that people will start ignoring a different roulette option for not being as profitable. Not everybody has a lot of time or desire to hit up every bonus offered by the roulette system each day.

Then just give the MS roulette a 100 Lore reward bonus. High enough to queue for it and still lower than lv50 roulette (which have 120 Lore reward bonus)

[LalaRu]

What about giving a tome reward that adds up each time a cs is fully played?
10 cs, 10 tomes each, bonus 100 if all played. In terms of time, 10 tomes for the time of watching a cs is way more effective than running a duty for it, so no one will complain and cs viewers welcomed.

MS roulette reborn!

[Zhamkyong]

What about giving a tome reward that adds up each time a cs is fully played?
10 cs, 10 tomes each, bonus 100 if all played. In terms of time, 10 tomes for the time of watching a cs is way more effective than running a duty for it, so no one will complain and cs viewers welcomed.

MS roulette reborn!

it won't work. Taking into consideration the whole "let's rush this to finish it sooner" mindset it has set into the game comunity (part of it, at least) they will find another reason to skip it and force to new players to see the cs in the Inn. Nowadays it seems the norm is to rush everything.