Stop PL Petition .

[ToxicFox]

What would that "flawed" reason be? Personally I don't care if it's there or not however I don't want them to revamp the entire claiming/party system just because a couple of people can't handle others using PL. The system as it is is 100% fine. Allowing PL is a minor complaint in the grand scheme of things.

The only reason I see you hating it is because you "can't" get into XP parties because of the community, not the system.

Okay so one idiot decided to not upgrade his gear or actually learn his class. He's an idiot and clearly not a good player anyway. Everyone I know, both PL and not, has proper gear and knows how to play their class. There are always exceptions both ways, can't damn the entire community because of that.

I don't need exp parties anymore. My thing hasn't updated yet but I hit the 50 already. I don't plan to level any other jobs till 2.0.

The flawed argument is that its the community that is restricting people from getting parties. People use stuff just cause they can. If you let them PL they will do it. If you don't they won't and they won't complain either. Even if someone doesn't like PL or thinks its OP they will still use it just cause they can. Your right that it is the community but you don't seem to understand how the community works. Dump a bunch of money into a crowd of 100+ people then tell them not to pick it up. All the money would be gone in a flash.

I'm not asking that they remove PL from the game. I'm asking that they change the system so PL can't kill for the party. I do not see why this is hard to do. It can be done without restrictions on players and they're already redoing everything. Its not much more work to make it so PL's can't kill for a party.

[syntaxlies]

one solution could be to have it so if someone drops from party the highest lvl takes claim instead of going to party
another could be to lock party members to party while in combat
another could be to put a 30 second passive timer on people when they leave a party.

3 good options there

[Eruantien]

one solution could be to have it so if someone drops from party the highest lvl takes claim instead of going to party
another could be to lock party members to party while in combat
another could be to put a 30 second passive timer on people when they leave a party.

3 good options there

well it used to be players locked to party while in combat, but they removed it

[syntaxlies]

well it used to be players locked to party while in combat, but they removed it

yea i know, i stated that earlier in the thread. i just added it in this quote so id have 3 options, lol

part of me thinks SE is only allowing PL'ing as a preemptive strike to player base drop after p2p. if there are more 50's in game when p2p starts they prob think they'll pay cause they have more to lose. Also it will give the appearance more people are playing if everyone is lvl cap.

[myteluze]

Laf. PL'ing in FFXI was actually faster and more fun. This PL'ing in XIV is just a DRAG to grind through. It's not fun at all, and ACTUALLY it's not even that fast. A well formed party of 8 could grind 1-50 in 48 hours, I bet.

PL'ing from 1-36 takes about 4-6 hours depending on how vigilant you are. 36-42 is about 3-4 hours. Then, from 42-50 LEGIT is about 2-3 hours on coffers. So... You do the math. PL'ling really isn't all that broken. The only thing you gain is being able to xp with 2 people at a comparable rate to an 8 man legit party. The playerbase is probably top heavy with end gamers right now, so multiple legit parties from 1-40 probably aren't all that common, and it's not just b/c of PL.

Besides, I don't want to spend a year ranking from 1-50 when it takes months to get an Ifrit win. I think people should be more focused on the broke ass end game fights instead of how people get there.

[Rowyne]

/signed

I've mostly posted about this in the big PL thread in the General section.

While some (including Yoshi-P) are okay with PLing under certain circumstances, I truly believe the consequences outweigh the benefits:

• As the playerbase becomes prematurely top-heavy, finding others to experience low-mid level content with becomes more difficult. Even moreso if you wish to experience it with a level-appropriate group. This alienates new and low level players who wish to experience the game as it was meant to be played.
• Similarly, the demand for additional low-mid level content becomes less vocalized as many people simply bypass it, leaving new and low level players with less to do.
• Those who wish to level via old-school grinding with a regular party will find it more difficult since many people now insist on bringing along a powerleveler.
• Camps fill up quickly with powerleveling parties in an environment that was never meant to allow for this kind of leveling design.
• Players who skyrocket to level cap by none of their own effort lack the proper knowledge or gear to participate in the endgame content they raced toward. People become less trusting of random players and are not as open to partying with new people that they do not know.
• All of the above points lead to frustration within the community. A community that cannot afford any more discontent right now.

There are still loopholes and exploits that are not being addressed because I truly believe they'd rather let people completely bypass the glaring lack of content by whatever means necessary. Which means they're content to break an aspect of the game to 'fix' it. Now this game is most likely irreparably broken until 2.0.

This issue has gotten so out of control that it's become one of four major reasons I've decided not to sub come January 6th.

While many things have been fixed since launch, core issues (like this) are now actually worse.

[KenJammin]

PLing brings nothing to the game, and everything it was designed to bring to the game had the opposite effects.

- Its mostly used by higher level players not newer players.
- Its more boring then gildleve's and behests.
- Its so effective that it discourages players from making groups for other content until they have every job at 50.

PLease stop using the "it doesn't effect you then why let it bother you" argument. It doesn't make sense and anyone who uses it obviously has had 5 jobs PLed to 50.
90% of the player base is sheep, and they want to fulfill they're arbitrary virtual goals, and they'll do it even if they're not having fun. Maybe if these kids had engaging video games they wouldn't resort to abandoning they're social responsibilities because they're past time supports they're world view that even when they succeed they still wont be enjoying themselves...

[Belial]

[Maxom]

^^^^^

The best thing I've seen in this whole thread.