Remove Malefic II [Ast]

[Nixxe]

Thunder III cost more MP than Thunder II which cost more than Thunder I.
Strangely, SE want to keep Thunder III.
Why can't we have the same thing with Ruin ? (with Blind implement on Ruin II)

Mana is basically meaningless to BLMs during Umbral Ice when they'd be casting Thunder anything and Thunder II and III are only casted with the use of Thundercloud anyway, which makes them cost nothing. Ruin II's mana cost is obviously to discourage unnecessary use of it, as well as it having a different effect. Cries to start pruning anything that's "close enough," when in fact it's quite different will just end up like WoW, where you have like 10 abilities that have any purpose in life and a lot of useful abilities end up on the chopping block because everyone insists the entire game is a hassle they can't be bothered to deal with. Merging things like Stone II and III or Malefic I and II by turning the latter into a trait that enhances the former is a fine and sensible way to reduce redundant binds and abilities, but we should not get overzealous and start trying to merge every ability just because they're kind of similar or have similar names, even if they're actually quite different.

[Ririta]

thunder 1 used to be a cross class skill. They took it away when they made Blizzard 2 a CC skill

What this has to do with unifying spells into a single button?

[Eloah]

While they may not remove it Malefic II is a part of the skills that might see a change, either to a trait or reconfiguring.

[Ceasaria]

Mana is basically meaningless to BLMs during Umbral Ice when they'd be casting Thunder anything and Thunder II and III are only casted with the use of Thundercloud anyway, which makes them cost nothing. Ruin II's mana cost is obviously to discourage unnecessary use of it, as well as it having a different effect[...]Merging things like Stone II and III or Malefic I and II by turning the latter into a trait that enhances the former is a fine and sensible way to reduce redundant binds and abilities, but we should not get overzealous and start trying to merge every ability just because they're kind of similar or have similar names, even if they're actually quite different.

Sorry, but mana for Arcanist, Scholar (I speak for this job, really) and Summoner is very easy to manage. So this excuse is not admissible for me.
I don't see the problem at all. In fact, it's been a long time I have removed Ruin from my hotbar.

[Alistaire]

"Set in stone"

You're right. Not "set in stone" but certainly better to make suggestions earlier rather than later. Or is that too much common sense?

What this has to do with unifying spells into a single button?

It was responding to a comment that was trying to derail the thread by someone asking for thunder to become crossclass.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

"Set in stone"



You were saying?

The point is, it's better to say it now then when the game's already out and they're busy with something else entirely.

Also, those were all minor changes. Balance changes, TP adjustments, potency adjustments, casting time adjustments. We never had anything as big as removing spells and merging them into one. For all we know it could be something that isn't worth doing mid expansion and we'd have wait until 5.0, just because we decided to wait until the expansion actually released instead of having the idea in their heads while Stormblood development was still a fresh topic.

[Violyre]

I have a macro for several abilities that get replaced later. The way I set them up is that the highest level skill will go off first, and if you don't have the higher one, it automatically goes to the next in line. It won't cast the lower abilities because you're using a spell already, they all trigger at the same time.

/macroicon "Malefic"
/ac "Malefic II <t>
/ac "Malefic" <t>

[Alistaire]

I have a macro for several abilities that get replaced later. The way I set them up is that the highest level skill will go off first, and if you don't have the higher one, it automatically goes to the next in line. It won't cast the lower abilities because you're using a spell already, they all trigger at the same time.

/macroicon "Malefic"
/ac "Malefic II <t>
/ac "Malefic" <t>

As a side-note, making macros like this no longer bad in 4.0 by making them work like normal actions would also be a good step toward reducing button bloat, then people can save a variety of buttons that not everyone would want/need to and use these macros without losing dps.

[BigRed5392]

Ruin 2 costs much more MP than ruin 1, and applies blind.

These two should remain separate, since you should not be spamming ruin 2 if you don't have to, because you'll be causing diminishing returns on blind.

ok then why do holy spam since it has diminishing stuns?

[Llus]

Ruin 2 costs much more MP than ruin 1, and applies blind.

These two should remain separate, since you should not be spamming ruin 2 if you don't have to, because you'll be causing diminishing returns on blind.

Because blind does something useful....