Confused about people's obsession with open world raids/dungeons.

[Lucifer]

Excluding yourself from doing things is fine, people's cheating excluding you from being able to participate from things you want to get stuff from is a bad thing. I don't understand how you are so dim witted you cannot understand this. Do you even want this game to succeed?

>Dim witted

Oh boy here we go...
First of all, you dumb ass, cheating is a problem that is hard to remedy because people will ALWAYS try to take the shortest route. I do not in any way support CHEATING. The only thing I support is content that does in fact exclude some people. Cheating is not what I am defending.
In fact, the only person bringing up cheating here is you. Cheating is a not a good reason as to why this type of content cannot exist. Cheating will ALWAYS be apparent and removing this kind of content will not lessen it by ANY means.

Stop going in circles with your pointless argument.

If people can't do the limited amount of content there is, they will leave and play something else, simple as that. You seem to think this is a good thing, can you explain why?

Another thing that is not a factor. What is stopping SE from developing content at all? There should be content for everyone. It's an MMORPG after all.

[Coglin]

People tried that in FF11, it didn't work. Good bots are not detectable.

You do realize this is FFXIV and not FFXI right?

Thus I am attempting to start a better pattern of behavior and enforcement to discuss for the devs, instead you chose to be counter-productive by insisting its not possible.

It appears your options are to screw everyone elses option over solving the actual problem?

[Lucifer]

There are bots that run through instances. There are very smart people who can take advantage of simple gameplay.

[darkstarpoet1]

>Dim witted

Oh boy here we go...
First of all, you dumb ass, cheating is a problem that is hard to remedy because people will ALWAYS try to take the shortest route. I do not in any way support CHEATING. The only thing I support is content that does in fact exclude some people. Cheating is not what I am defending.
In fact, the only person bringing up cheating here is you. Cheating is a not a good reason as to why this type of content cannot exist. Cheating will ALWAYS be apparent and removing this kind of content will not lessen it by ANY means.

Stop going in circles with your pointless argument.

no need in arguing. this game should have no content nor characters. ya know i don't think they want any dow, dom, dol, or doh since there are already bots for each one. using their line of thought we should remove all classes and all characters from the game since every class has bots already in game.

you are right people should be more worried about the cheaters, but that would destroy their argument about they don't want open world content because they are so bad they cannot get a claim nor defeat the enemies.

[Shneibel]

People tried that in FF11, it didn't work. Good bots are not detectable.

serious !?

ps: this remind me of my nubs day when I start mmorpg

[Zantetsuken]

FFXI had instanced boss fights (BC), no reason why they can't keep the dungeons open and the boss fights instanced.

As far as coffer key mobs, they just need to spread out the mobs that can drop the key. Think along the lines of Padfoot in Lufaise Meadows (FFXI-CoP).. but scaled back a bit.

[Richard_BG]

Wiisam why you no stay to converse? (ლಠ益ಠ)

[Jennestia]

FFXI had instanced boss fights (BC), no reason why they can't keep the dungeons open and the boss fights instanced.

As far as coffer key mobs, just make more than one group and spread them out more.

It's amazing people still seem to hate this idea, I really wonder what happened to MMOs that open world is such a bad thing..

[wish12oz]

You do realize this is FFXIV and not FFXI right?

You do realize both games are made and run by the same company right?

It appears your options are to screw everyone elses option over solving the actual problem?

The correct solution is to not add content that involves competition between players that can be monopolized by bots. Fish bots, craft bots, etc do not keep a player from accessing content the botter is doing, in this case, crafting and fishing. Having a monster that drops the best gear in the game randomly appear out in some random zone where everyone has to try and claim it will promote claim bots, and those bots will block content from other players, and that is not acceptable. SE has shown time and time again they are incapable of doing anything about bots, why you suddenly think they will be able to handle it is just beyond logical thought. When was the last time they did anything about cheating? Salvage bans? Do you all know about that? There was this duping glitch in FFXXI, the exploit was known about for a year and a half by SE, and they did absolutely nothing, until one day they just decided to fix it and just ban anyone who used it. A year and a half they knew about this glitch and did nothing. If this doesn't show you SE's resolve to fix the problems with their games I don't know what will. How about the fact that something like 90% of all PC FFXI players use windower, which is against the TOS and SE has never done anything about it? Why int he world do you all think FFXIV will be any different?

There are bots that run through instances. There are very smart people who can take advantage of simple gameplay.

This sort of thing doesn't affect other players ability to do content though, I am only against preventing everyone from being able to do stuff. The only thing that should determine what you can do is your ability to find people to play with, what you want to do, and all of your skill levels.

[Corrderio]

There has to be some incentive to openly compete with other people to get a reward. This is why the gear SHOULD be better. Factor in the fact the monster might respawn once a day or once a week. This is gear for those willing to invest their time.
If the gear at the end is alluring to you but you don't want to go through the process of getting it, even though you KNOW you don't need the gear to complete any content in the game, the problem lies with you.

I'm all for competition, but camping a mob is hardly competition when you're doing jack sh*t half the time.