What is kickable in df for different playstyles?

[Exiled_Tonberry]

IMO, being unreasonable bad at your job is a reason to kick.

I had a SMN once in Gubal Library HM, no pet out, was spamming miasma, Bio and Bio II, and by spamming I mean he out them up, and them out them up immediately again. never used aetherflow which meant no Fester or Bane.

He was unreasonably bad at his job to the point where he could have possibly been trolling. Our party agreed to kick him.
I consider kicking BLMs as well that don't even attempt a rotation and rather used things like Flare at full MP in Umbral Ice stance, sitting there in fire until their MP naturally ticks up for a Blizzard III.

There is zero reason anyone should have to tolerate that.

[Alistaire]

IMO, being unreasonable bad at your job is a reason to kick.

We have confirmation from SE that "refusal to fulfill one's role" is valid.

And how do you compare that to "unable to fulfill one's role"? IMO that's worse. Refusal can be coerced; I've had times I've threatened to kick people for not playing properly, gotten others to chime in that they'd agree with the kick, and had the offending player change their mind.

But someone flat out unable to? It's like people with full broken gear mid-dungeon; you can't convince them to suddenly have stats again.

tl;dr if "refusal to fulfill one's role" is acceptable it follows that inability to do the same is also acceptable

[Ayer2015]

I only vote kick for disconnects or long AKFs. Clearly from the forums others have more extensive criteria.... which is strange since I never met anyone in game like the people you find on here. Lucky I guess.

[Crushnight]

unfortunately i know all too well alot of things can be kickable under the current rules, i have been kicked for putting cleric on went through i got mad told friends and moved on the only times i have ever reported someone have been 1. in potd because we were 4 dps 1 member refused to move saying just abandon not possisble this ofc prevented us from procedding to a point of after 15 mins me and the other 2 members HAD to leave and restart the instance. the 2nd was a difference in lifestyle choices i.e. met people who were not that accepting and a bad misstype in the wrong chat and foul language later dismissed. A vote kick from me though is done after waiting 5 to 10 mins depending if said anything or a sudden dc after being fine for awhile, rude/inappropriate language for a extended period of time and flat out refusal to change their ways when asked multiple times.

[ffchampion]

The only times i vote kick is from ARK/Disconnects or is someone is being a complete and utter nuisance to the entire party.
Most recent was a THM who refused to use anything other than Fire 1 throughout the whole dungeon

[Risvertasashi]

You can't actually start a kick while there's loot in the pool. Facepalmed at the rest of your post, but felt you should know that.

The scenario where this might happen is after a fight has completed but before a chest was opened. And facepalm all you like, it's how the SE's policy is.

[LuckiGoLucki]

Not everyone is as lucky as you are, so using your experience as the baseline to judge everyone else's is a bad idea. You are not everyone. So I'm glad you're luckier than me, but don't discredit other people's opposite experiences.

Ok so at no point was I judging anyone or discrediting anyone's experiences. Calm down there. I was asking the general community about how often this actually goes on. Peeps come in here on the forums constantly complaining that they are being kicked all the time. I'm trying to figure out why. Which is why I was suggesting that maybe just maaaaaaybe there is something wrong with how they are handling the dungeon or playing their class. And I even mentioned that there are people who kick others too much for dumb reasons. I think you need to learn what "judging" and "discrediting" actually mean. I'm not saying these things don't happen, I'm trying to get the community to ask "why are they happening".

[Nixxe]

I mean, "different playstyles" is so incredibly vague it could be used to justify virtually anything. Having said that, I don't think anyone should be kicked unless they're AFK or DC'd for an excessive period of time, harassing one or more group members in some fashion, or doing something so poorly that it's actually preventing successful completion of the content. Part of the draw of this game for a lot of people is the relatively friendly and positive community, and it takes all of us to keep it that way.

[Youkulm]

this is just a ponder and a bit of curiosity over what people think is kickable in df under different playstyles a simple yes no or any added 'differences in playstyles' just as a helpful reminder in case i overstep bounds.

Literally anything. Don't even breath.

[ManuelBravo]

It's a touchy subject pretty much anything that seems like trolling or anything that majority rules. As a Mentor is more of people being disruptive, crap talkers, people purposely hindering runs, or unwilling to co operate. I personally, if I see t hey are a sprout or a flower give them a chance to improve...third strike they are out.