Community expectations

[Ryel]

Problem is, this "weight" is for the beholder to decide. Some people would not accept anything below the optimal result, even if a sub-optimal could do well "enough". Jobs were rejected for that, "bad" itemization is frowned upon for that, and, most importantly, customization on characters and items is rejected for that.

"weight" Is not subjective unless a PF is specific and nobody gets removed for being "x" class in dungeons.

Meeting proper minimum ilvl for a dungeon or at the very least keeping up with gear appropriate for the level of content isn't really that hard of a concept. Same goes for hitting more than 3 buttons and not being an ice mage etc.

What some players still don't understand is that there is very little choice when it comes to gear options and it's by developer design. They intentionally have made stats a non-choice so if you're a DPS stacking VIT or a tank stacking DEX you're probably doing it wrong and yeah I'd be surprised if someone didn't say something at that point.

If "carrying their own weight" was shared by everyone, then the game could be enhanced a lot. That was one of the purpose of Stone, Sky, Sea, regarding parsers. SSS does not give a number, it gives you a threshold. If you're above, you're able to do your part DPS wise. If you fail in content, it's because you're still learning the mechanics, not your rotation.

While this is mostly true If we're talking about things like primals or raids the case is often players joining parties they aren't ready for.

If you are still learning a fight's mechanics don't join a farm party. Yet all too often we have players complaining that they've been kicked for x or y reason when the reality is as simple as they joined a group on content they weren't ready for.

And besides, if you look at the recent "Soar Skip" debacle, it goes even deeper. Winning Zurvan EX without skipping Soar is not a DPS issue at all. Yet, many PF parties will kick you if you fail the skip.

Then make one?

No, seriously. Full stop. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.

If players really have an issue with the skip soar debate (which honestly doesn't require a massive amount of DPS to begin with) then make a party. Boot up the PF and create a "Soar learning party" or "Skipping soar not required party" and I promise you it will fill. It may not fill as fast as the others but it will fill eventually.

The vast majority of "all these PF's require X" arguments could easily be solved by players starting their own PF but many of them simply do not want to, regardless of the fact that it requires far more time and effort to create a thread on the forums complaining about it than it does filling a PF description.