The end of Playstation 3 support.

[Kaethra]

I have friends in Peru and Costa Rica who aren't going to be able to play anymore because the PS3 is being dropped and new consoles cost extraordinarily more for them to buy (Peruvian friend told me $800 USD for a PS4 for him) locally. People from poorer countries are going to be hit the hardest by this.

And I've had to spend $900USD twice to keep my computer upgraded (well more than one computer, but we'll use one for the sake of argument) to play a few other MMOs over the last 16 years. It happens.

Those from 'poorer' countries probably need to take another look at their priorities compared to playing video games. Such as taking actions to affect their political situations so they can get rid of tariffs and improve shipping conditions to lower costs.

[Seig345]

And I've had to spend $900USD twice to keep my computer upgraded (well more than one computer, but we'll use one for the sake of argument) to play a few other MMOs over the last 16 years. It happens.

Those from 'poorer' countries probably need to take another look at their priorities compared to playing video games. Such as taking actions to affect their political situations so they can get rid of tariffs and improve shipping conditions to lower costs.

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[Serilda]

Those from 'poorer' countries probably need to take another look at their priorities compared to playing video games.

Sure, let's tell all the people too poor to spend $900 on hardware to leave and go overthrow their governments until their countries become exact clones of the USA and they deserve to play games, because if the game's team is too small to release texture packs now I'm sure losing subscribers will fix that. Plus the PC gamers who leave when their friends do, further draining income.

I'm from a wealthy country and in spite of that PC/PS4 upgrades cost substantially more than the USD prices being thrown around in this thread here. Some people have absolutely no idea how easy they have it. We're not here to pontificate about revolutionising world politics we don't understand from atop our high horses, we're here to try to play a fun game together!

[Kosmos992k]

Sure, let's tell all the people too poor to spend $900 on hardware to leave and go overthrow their governments until their countries become exact clones of the USA and they deserve to play games, because if the game's team is too small to release texture packs now I'm sure losing subscribers will fix that. Plus the PC gamers who leave when their friends do, further draining income.

I'm from a wealthy country and in spite of that PC/PS4 upgrades cost substantially more than the USD prices being thrown around in this thread here. Some people have absolutely no idea how easy they have it. We're not here to pontificate about revolutionising world politics we don't understand from atop our high horses, we're here to try to play a fun game together!

Indeed.

A lot of people (PC gamers) also severely underestimate the cost of building a gaming rig. You can build a minimum viable configuration for a little under $400, but even if you stick to components a couple of years old, you're still going to spend at least $600. To purchase mid range components and a good quality case/PSU you're heading on up to $1000 territory.

While that minimum viable config might run some current games, it won't do so well with games released next year. So I really wish people would stop throwing stupid numbers around ab out the supposedly minimal cost of building your own gaming rig.

A PS4 costs far less to purchase than a basic gaming PC. Prebuilt gaming PCs start in the region of $700, I could have a PS4Pro with PS VR for about the same cost.

Obviously prices will change in other countries, but I believe that the relative costs will stay similar.

[Kaethra]

I'm from a wealthy country and in spite of that PC/PS4 upgrades cost substantially more than the USD prices being thrown around in this thread here. Some people have absolutely no idea how easy they have it. We're not here to pontificate about revolutionising world politics we don't understand from atop our high horses, we're here to try to play a fun game together!

I've given blood sweat and tears for my country to have it as 'easy' as it does. Some in my battalion didn't even make it to a deployment because some crazy 'major' decided to shoot up the SRP center at Ft Hood. So don't lecture me on how I have it 'easy'. I've not suggested anything I haven't done myself. Such as spending hundreds to keep my PC's upgraded just to keep playing the games I've purchased. Or voting every year to make sure nothing stupid creeps in to make things too expensive.

I'm not responsible for keeping someone's hardware up to date. And SE isn't responsible if someone gets left behind after several years.

[Kosmos992k]

I've given blood sweat and tears for my country to have it as 'easy' as it does. Some in my battalion didn't even make it to a deployment because some crazy 'major' decided to shoot up the SRP center at Ft Hood. So don't lecture me on how I have it 'easy'. I've not suggested anything I haven't done myself. Such as spending hundreds to keep my PC's upgraded just to keep playing the games I've purchased. Or voting every year to make sure nothing stupid creeps in to make things too expensive.

No offense, but you might want to try to separate the stress and RL issues that you face from the discussion you're having here. It sounds like you've had to deal with some extremely serious stuff, but your anger is misplaced in this topic. I believe that the poster was comparing the relative ease of life in a developed nation such as the US vs the life in a developing nation with a shaky economy. I don't think they were saying anything that would diminish or demean your service, nor the difficulties that you face as a result of serving as you do.

I can't pretend to know what you've faced, only you can know that. However, I do wish you well.

[Texa]

No offense, but you might want to try to separate the stress and RL issues that you face from the discussion you're having here. It sounds like you've had to deal with some extremely serious stuff, but your anger is misplaced in this topic. I believe that the poster was comparing the relative ease of life in a developed nation such as the US vs the life in a developing nation with a shaky economy. I don't think they were saying anything that would diminish or demean your service, nor the difficulties that you face as a result of serving as you do.

I was mainly pointing out how its harder to stay up-to-date with gaming hardware in South America because of various issues with the postal system there inflating the costs a lot.

I'd never look down on how hard other people work to maintain their own gaming rigs. I'm disabled and I haven't been able to work for over 3 years and I absolutely would not be able to afford to build a PC on my own. I only have a good gaming PC right now because my older brother gives me his old parts when he upgrades. So I'm largely only still playing this game because I'm lucky enough to have a bro that will help me out. Most people aren't that lucky though and I respect that.

[Ririta]

As I stated earlier in the thread the min on the graphics part is being pushed up to a min of a GTX 750. Before I upgraded to a GTX 970 I was running a GTX 680, which within reason could handle the game and far better than a PS3 could. That said it still is no longer a viable card with the new min specs, though that card is still good on other games like Overwatch. It is just simply a difference in graphics ideal.

The question is if the graphics will actually require them, as the reason given for the increase was that the parts in the old system requirements are now out of production.

I was mainly pointing out how its harder to stay up-to-date with gaming hardware in South America because of various issues with the postal system there inflating the costs a lot.

I'd never look down on how hard other people work to maintain their own gaming rigs. I'm disabled and I haven't been able to work for over 3 years and I absolutely would not be able to afford to build a PC on my own. I only have a good gaming PC right now because my older brother gives me his old parts when he upgrades. So I'm largely only still playing this game because I'm lucky enough to have a bro that will help me out. Most people aren't that lucky though and I respect that.

I know that feel. Customs makes everything bad here, but it's still a huge country so we can get good sales and promotions. I can't imagine how much harder it is for people living in smaller countries.

This is why the "anti PS3" sentiment kind of upsets me, it's like they forgot what makes MMORPGs a success or a failure.

[NaesakiAshwell]

The question is if the graphics will actually require them, as the reason given for the increase was that the parts in the old system requirements are now out of production.

I know that feel. Customs makes everything bad here, but it's still a huge country so we can get good sales and promotions. I can't imagine how much harder it is for people living in smaller countries.

This is why the "anti PS3" sentiment kind of upsets me, it's like they forgot what makes MMORPGs a success or a failure.

The whole PC Master Race rhetoric is a hell of a drug unfortunately, you'll never sway their opinions from that stance :/

I mean adore PC gaming, but I adore console gaming to.

Though I understand why the PS3 support ultimately came to an end, and who knows same could end up being said for 32-bit PC's as well, especially with the minimum requirements rising.

[Serilda]

I've given blood sweat and tears for my country to have it as 'easy' as it does.

So don't lecture me on how I have it 'easy'.

...are you taking personal responsibility for the current state of the whole of the USA? I was simply upset you effectively said other people who aren't in any position to walk the path you have in life should reconsider playing.

Nobody is saying SE (or you) are responsible for buying everyone new PCs. We're saying that the end of PS3 support is necessary, but it's sad for those still on the platform and that their feelings deserve to be respected. This entire thread was originally an unprovoked attack on their right to play the game; defending your right to be cruel to people you don't know isn't a battle worth fighting.