Show your interest for a Glamour log!

[SokiYagami]

The reason I'm ok with the destroying items idea is that I think the developers will prefer it, rather than that it benefits me. Obviously it's better for us if we can still desynth or trade in the items after adding them to our log, but it reduces demand (slightly) if everyone gets dual benefit from each item which in turn reduces the time taken to do things which in turn reduces subscriptions. You should obviously still be able to glamour 'non-logged' items as normal if you want to do it that way, to accommodate things like the anima weapon. Which should probably be non-loggable in the first place until the questline is complete, to avoid people making mistakes they will later regret.

This dual benefit argument is weak because currently we can already glamour using the item then hand it in for seals. There's no good reason to take the additional step to make the player's life difficult.

Also... there's no need to add an extra Loggable/Non-loggable state if the system doesn't destroy the item in the first place. It's redundant and over-complicated for no good purpose really...

[Serilda]

This argument is weak because currently we can already glamour using the item then hand it in for seals. There's no good reason to take the additional step to make the player's life difficult.

Except you can't then glamour it again, indefinitely, when you upgrade your main gear. That's a pretty big difference, actually. You're choosing to trade that convenience in for seals and more inventory space at the moment, whereas the glamour log would give you the best of both worlds. Having the best of both worlds is great, but I can see why the developers might abandon the whole idea prematurely if we don't accept that freedom from inventory limitations might come with a few restrictions of its own to keep people running content.

Nothing is stopping you continuing to do what you do at the moment with the addition of the proposed functionality. Those who value the inventory space more than a handful of seals will simply make a different choice.

[Zojha]

This dual benefit argument is weak because currently we can already glamour using the item then hand it in for seals.

And then you can never glamour it again until you get the item again (Which can be an issue if you upgrade...not unheard of in this game). So you're losing the ability to use the glamour in the future by handing it in. That's not the case with the glamour log, though.

The whole thing can be solved by flagging the item as ineligible for desynthesis and turn-in, tho'. We already have those flags in the game, so eliminating the double benefit is easier to do that way. Plus... you don't need to go into the item lists to set loggable/not-loggable flags every patch, you just code it once and forget about it.

[SokiYagami]

Except you can't then glamour it again, indefinitely, when you upgrade your main gear. That's a pretty big difference, actually. You're choosing to trade that convenience in for seals and more inventory space at the moment, whereas the glamour log would give you the best of both worlds. Having the best of both worlds is great, but I can see why the developers might abandon the whole idea prematurely if we don't accept that freedom from inventory limitations might come with a few restrictions of its own to keep people running content.

Nothing is stopping you continuing to do what you do at the moment with the addition of the proposed functionality. Those who value the inventory space more than a handful of seals will simply make a different choice.

I think I might misunderstanding something here. Are you debating over the fact of having a glamour log itself or that items should be destroyed upon adding it to the glamour log? If it's the latter than the benefit from allowing players to hand-in/vendor the glamour gear after adding it to the log is so minuscule that it barely make any difference.

And then you can never glamour it again until you get the item again (Which can be an issue if you upgrade...not unheard of in this game). So you're losing the ability to use the glamour in the future by handing it in. That's not the case with the glamour log, though.

Isn't that the entire point of having a glamour log though? To have the ability of glamouring the item over and again without the need to re-obtain said item.

The whole thing can be solved by flagging the item as ineligible for desynthesis and turn-in, tho'. We already have those flags in the game, so eliminating the double benefit is easier to do that way. Plus... you don't need to go into the item lists to set loggable/not-loggable flags every patch, you just code it once and forget about it.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying there's not really a need to (imo).

[Serilda]

I think I might misunderstanding something here. Are you debating over the fact of having a glamour log itself or that items should be destroyed upon adding it to the glamour log? If it's the latter than the benefit from allowing players to hand-in/vendor the glamour gear after adding it to the log is so minuscule that it barely make any difference.

As I said right at the start of the thread, I'm in full support of a glamour log. I just think that using it as an excuse to ask for extra benefits (keeping items for other purposes and getting to have them permanently stored for glamour) is more debatable than you think it is, and detracts from the purpose of the thread. I'll take a glamour log in any form at this point; my inventory is crying.

[SokiYagami]

As I said right at the start of the thread, I'm in full support of a glamour log. I just think that using it as an excuse to ask for extra benefits (keeping items for other purposes and getting to have them permanently stored for glamour) is more debatable than you think it is, and detracts from the purpose of the thread. I'll take a glamour log in any form at this point; my inventory is crying.

We might be, but I suppose it's better than opening a new thread to debate about this. Also, if we raise a valid concern about it, one of us might be able to come up with an idea to deal with it. If it so happens to overlap with the developer's concern (apart from manpower resources limitation), it might actually help to bring the glamour log a step closer to reality.

So pardon me for sounding pushy, but what exactly is this other purpose you had in mind?

[Misutoraru]

I have only 2 retainers, I m not paying for extra
and to hold the glamours I want, I sold all my materials for crafting, and I am at the position of 175/175 on 1st and 173/175 on 2nd

[Headhunters]

useless feature like all glamour. they should focus on other stuffs.

[Zojha]

Isn't that the entire point of having a glamour log though? To have the ability of glamouring the item over and again without the need to re-obtain said item.

You misunderstand. I was outlining the situation "right now" without a glamour log, because you used that situation to claim that the double purpose argument is a weak argument. Yes, you can currently glamour an item, then turn it in for seals, but you have to re-obtain the item if you want to glamour it again after turning it in. With the glamour log, you would not have to re-obtain it. Thus, you could safely turn the item in. Hence, the double purpose argument remains, even if the significance can be argued. That's what I said.

The rest is simply a proposal how to deal with that argument in an efficient way. It solves the issue with destroying "relevant" items for the sake of glamour while eliminating the double purpose with a simple switch of two binary digits.

[Alleo]

A 100% YES!

Finally he at least said that its possible..so there should be no excuse anymore about not doing it. Still sad that this is such a low priority for them..I mean Glamour is a really big part of the game and they introduce more and more glamour with each patch and expansion. Yet thanks to the restriction of the inventory people can barely show their respect for the time and money that went into a glamour item.

With a glamour log we would have more inventory for mats and other things and at the same time this might be an incentive to run older content.

Maybe its not such a high priority since this might mean that some people will not need further paid retainers anymore ...I just hope that this will not end in the cash shop too somewhere in the future..