Thread: Please reconsider making tanks 100% vit-based damage for 4.0

Originally Posted by Legion88

And what should happen with the STR on the whole Tankgear?
-Replace it with an additional substat?
-Raplace it with an additional materia slot?
-Just get rid of it?
-Stays as a fluff stat?

% damage blocked/parried like it did in ARR or just remove it. really, probably should just remove it since it'd be as useless as parry unless there was a major change in how you tank bosses

Another issue is that the VIT/STR split makes secondary stats more important on tank gear, compared to other jobs, because the primary stats are weighted lower. This, coupled with the fact that you can get both parry and/or accuracy on tank gear pieces, occasionally results in situations in which lower ilvl gear is stronger than higher ilvl gear.

You can't phase out STR mid-expansion, though, so I'm hoping that they're just waiting on 4.0 to rectify this.

Originally Posted by Lyth

Another issue is that the VIT/STR split makes secondary stats more important on tank gear, compared to other jobs, because the primary stats are weighted lower. This, coupled with the fact that you can get both parry and/or accuracy on tank gear pieces, occasionally results in situations in which lower ilvl gear is stronger than higher ilvl gear.

The Vit/Str split doesn't do that... that happens with every job due to how the playerbase putting no weight on Accuracy and Parry tons of weight of Crit Rate.

The i260 crit/det Diabolic Turban of Scouting would be BiS for Ninja if they didn't need the accuracy purely due to the other choices being det/acc and acc/crit.

Originally Posted by Lyth

If you look at secondary stats on tanks, stats like crit, det, and ss have relatively higher weight values compared to other jobs

Weights taken from Ariyala :
DRG : Str =1, Crit = 0.279, Det = 0.207
PLD : Str = 1, Crit = 0.541, Det = 0.396
If you scale them properly, you have, for PLD, STR = 0.45, Crit = (0.541x0.45) = 0.243 and Det = (0.396x0.45) = 0.178.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

Weights taken from Ariyala :
DRG : Str =1, Crit = 0.279, Det = 0.207
PLD : Str = 1, Crit = 0.541, Det = 0.396
If you scale them properly, you have, for PLD, STR = 0.45, Crit = (0.541x0.45) = 0.243 and Det = (0.396x0.45) = 0.178.

Originally Posted by Alistaire

What this is is that they're bloated so that STR and VIT are still shown as 1's instead of the .45 they really are. Just for simplicity sake. They could list them as they actually are in game for comparison to other jobs, and then secondaries would be more like what you see on other jobs.

Which they already addressed in the subsequent post.

Originally Posted by Lyth

You can either think of this as secondary stats being relatively stronger, or primary stats being relatively weaker (secondary stat weights are normalized relative to the primary stats).

I have to agree just drop str entirely, since it was such a killjoy and made tanks too much dps, and just make AP just like 80 percent of the vit stat or whatever. Customization died with the changes in that one patch, they might as well put the bullet in the dying animal at this point. Eventially damages wont scale as nicely when were doing i 350 stuff and beyond. And its not fair, to force only one role to use 2 main stats when cookie cutter other roles get to pump it all in one. So what if tanks become desirable, maybe over dps, you always wanting more tanks in the queues anyway.

hi im posting on my b/f thread as i was looking up tank tips on forums.

I very much with like damage calculations be vit on;y every other job but tank has their main damage source to be their main stat. since aggro is a mix of stance/attack and aggro based attacks this will just make it easier for tanks ti sustain aggro. it will also increase a tanks dps.

imo all wins in my book.