Cleric Stance Discussion - Is it needed?

[Elleia]

WildStar was able to easily pull this off with Spellslinger and Medic. Medic being the pure melee healer that stay in melee range and its aoe and cone attacks would heal allies and damage enemies. It also put out little robots that stays near each party member and pulsates small heals to them, a HoT. Spellslinger was a ranged healer with long, thin attacks (in either | or \|/ form) that you would build up to unleash powerfull spells, and it also healed those within its path. Both healers also had regular, normal heals for targets.

It's just all about being creative, and jumping to and fro between a stance that just seems like extra baggage doesn't seem very creative than where to properly place your aoe and stand your character so you can utilize the best of your heals and your damage spells.

Can't say I'm very familiar with WildStar, but isn't the combat more action focused, with dodging and things like that? It sounds interesting but I'm not sure how well it would translate to a game like this one with GCDs. And while it does seem creative, and maybe they can use a similar concept for a new healer down the line, I doubt they'll revamp the three current healers so heavily for Stormblood. If they decide to remove cleric stance, that'll probably be all they do - scale healer DPS off of mind and call it a day. We likely won't get an interesting new system for healer dps like you outlined in your post.

[Zhamkyong]

Can't say I'm very familiar with WildStar, but isn't the combat more action focused, with dodging and things like that? It sounds interesting but I'm not sure how well it would translate to a game like this one with GCDs. And while it does seem creative, and maybe they can use a similar concept for a new healer down the line, I doubt they'll revamp the three current healers so heavily for Stormblood. If they decide to remove cleric stance, that'll probably be all they do - scale healer DPS off of mind and call it a day. We likely won't get an interesting new system for healer dps like you outlined in your post.

As i recall from the time i played from the rework of the game it it's more combat/dogde oriented, yes, but FFXIV already has that feeling (we are smashing buttons fast on a rotation of our abilities and runing avoiding AoE), the only thing we dont have about that it's a dash button of some sort... Maybe a couple of abilities that some classes have to move fast from point A to B and thats it if i am not mistaken.

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As for the post itself and the Cleric Stance, if they do that they would have to balance the damage so the healers dont beat pure dps classes in terms of dps. Sch has it's dots (and those are pretty powerful by themselves), the other two Holy and Gravity (along another strong single target spells or more Aoe if we talk about Whm). I have not healed in a long time, but i recall using the last to help clearing trash mobs with good numbers and i know i am not pretty well geared with the class. Stance dancing is fun and involves a certain risk on doing it as i see it, removing it would improve the healers and encourage them to use theyr damage kit even more. But, as i said, they would have to balance it or i can see the forums on fire again about theyr potential on healing/damage in comparasion with another classes. (And i am pointing at those who have lower dps for their support kit)

I think most just aren't comfy with being in a stance that slashes their healing ability and can't jump quick enough when something unpredictable happens. Getting rid of that ball and chain would probably make people feel better about throwing that Stone 2 or Gravity.

Pretty much this.

[PocketVolcano]

As i recall from the time i played from the rework of the game it it's more combat/dogde oriented, yes, but FFXIV already has that feeling (we are smashing buttons fast on a rotation of our abilities and runing avoiding AoE), the only thing we dont have about that it's a dash button of some sort... Maybe a couple of abilities that some classes have to move fast from point A to B and thats it if i am not mistaken.

Yes it is! The GCDs are also very similar in speed in WildStar as in FFXIV. Didn't Yoshi say they were putting in a dodge-roll or something? Or was it just suggested? Either way it's a fully implemented mechanic in Wildstar and it works well alongside the high intensity fights and healing demands!

I think the dev team can do more with healer dps and getting some inspo from high action games and how they do it could be a stepping point.

[Zhamkyong]

Yes it is! The GCDs are also very similar in speed in WildStar as in FFXIV. Didn't Yoshi say they were putting in a dodge-roll or something? Or was it just suggested? Either way it's a fully implemented mechanic in Wildstar and it works well alongside the high intensity fights and healing demands!

I think the dev team can do more with healer dps and getting some inspo from high action games and how they do it could be a stepping point.

The way i see it thinking about it calmly, it's like they tried to set a middle ground between a FF game and a action-based MMO. Not only Wildstar, a lot of MMO on this day use that kind of 'rotation based skills' + dodge movement to give an intense feeling in their battle system. Also those games have a smaler ability bar, 10 slots or something like that? We have enough buttons as it is (too much for my liking xD) so i dont know how it would fare a dodge system in the game. I know it will be fun adjusting to it in certain combat areas where you die by falling off a cliff.