People telling me how to play healer

[Cylla]

That's not actually about what YoshiP said but the eternal debat of the heal DPS with a yes from the elitists and a no from normal people. Cleric stance basically exist for main heals to be able to quest alone without spending 1hour for each mobs but seems like some people don't get that.

So glad someone finally said it. Thank you.

[Ama_Hamada]

That's not actually about what YoshiP said but the eternal debat of the heal DPS with a yes from the elitists and a no from normal people. Cleric stance basically exist for main heals to be able to quest alone without spending 1hour for each mobs but seems like some people don't get that.

So I am an elitist for using cleric stance in the DF? I do it because 1. board and 2. to end the DF quicker. The only reason some "casuals" say no to cleric stance in DFs has to do with not knowing the runs (when will so in so take a big hit) and the fact they do not know how to spot crappy tanks. I bet you to most people a good tank is simply one that holds hate. That is a passable tank, not a good one. A good one allows you to end runs in 10-15 mins, actually contribute to the total DPS while migrating damage so the healer can do so as well.

[Kit-Kat]

That's not actually about what YoshiP said but the eternal debat of the heal DPS with a yes from the elitists and a no from normal people. Cleric stance basically exist for main heals to be able to quest alone without spending 1hour for each mobs but seems like some people don't get that.

But you're a healer! you MUST only play your role and ask people to group with you to quest. See where I'm going with this? it's only part of your class for your convenience with this argument.

[Zojha]

I do have to wonder if the shoe was on the other foot though, and YoshiP happened to say he liked the flexibility that healers have on contributing DPS and that he wanted to find more ways to incorporate that into content...would we still be seeing so much community outrage like this?

Yes. The topic has two fairly clear factions and it really just takes any random spark to ignite the fire again. It has come up over and over without Yoshi saying anything, so it's safe to say his statement was simply another spark. One could have just made a thread suggesting healers should be left to heal now that 2 DPS are coming with stormblood and it would have the same effect.

[loreleidiangelo]

Yes. The topic has two fairly clear factions and it really just takes any random spark to ignite the fire again. It has come up over and over without Yoshi saying anything, so it's safe to say his statement was simply another spark. One could have just made a thread suggesting healers should be left to heal now that 2 DPS are coming with stormblood and it would have the same effect.

I suppose you're right. But I think it's too early to be crying/celebrating either way...his words don't necessarily mean significant changes are coming, he was just stating a philosophy. I can be optimistic that maybe changes are coming, but I wouldn't go so far as to assume it as fact. IIRC he's said he liked certain things or thought certain things were working just fine before, only to change them after community feedback.

[Neophyte]

I wish people on both camps would stop taking his statement so grossly out of context. All I really read into it was that he doesn't seem to like the healer DPS meta direction that the game is taking but seems uncertain at this point how to marginalize it without causing backlash (i.e "if we remove Cleric Stance people will wig out", which is of course true).

I do have to wonder if the shoe was on the other foot though, and YoshiP happened to say he liked the flexibility that healers have on contributing DPS and that he wanted to find more ways to incorporate that intocontent...would we still be seeing so much community outrage like this? Is this only happening because people have felt like they've been playing the game "the way it's meant to be played" the entire time only to maybe find out that it wasn't exactly intended and now might be changed?

Things is, many people just don't understand that with current game design two things will always be true:

1. If big chunks of damage only occur by doing mechanics wrong, then there will always be low damage, if everyone is doing the mechanics correctly.
As long as we have AoE markers (and those are not just insta kills) there will always be a more or less big gap between minimum and maximum heal requirements.

Just look at the first boss of Dun Scath. If your Group is NOT tanking and everyone is doing the mechanics properly, the only thing you have to heal is:
1 person every Void Aero 3. One AoE heal per Blizzard 4. That's it. I think about 5-7 healing GCDs. For both healers together and not for each one! I.e. a fairy can do that alone (because the magical def. pet action and the AoE regen should be up for every Blizz4. But not absolutly sure about that.)
Ferdiad, if everyone does the mechanic properly, all you have to heal is: Flamethrower (? the raid wide AoE with the puddles) and his ultimate attack after the add phase. I think about 4-5 healing GCDs.
Third Boss it's only her AoE cast and the dropping add which does damage for sure, everything else again: avoidable.

2. "Only tanking/mitigating" and "only healing" don't work well with horizontal game designs like the one this game uses.
This means: When you first enter a content you need to heal x% of the time, (maybe) need to use tank stance to cover some damage when mitigation CDs are on CD, do an extra tank swap, need pre-shields to survive Prey-mechanics and so on...
Now, 30 ilvls later you don't have to heal that much and don't have to stay that much in tank stance anymore. What now?

[ToasterMan]

(i.e "if we remove Cleric Stance people will wig out", which is of course true).

I'd pay money for him to do it. The eruption on here would be priceless.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I wish people on both camps would stop taking his statement so grossly out of context. All I really read into it was that he doesn't seem to like the healer DPS meta direction that the game is taking but seems uncertain at this point how to marginalize it without causing backlash (i.e "if we remove Cleric Stance people will wig out", which is of course true).

I do have to wonder if the shoe was on the other foot though, and YoshiP happened to say he liked the flexibility that healers have on contributing DPS and that he wanted to find more ways to incorporate that into content...would we still be seeing so much community outrage like this? Is this only happening because people have felt like they've been playing the game "the way it's meant to be played" the entire time only to maybe find out that it wasn't exactly intended and now might be changed?

I guarantee if he supported the DPS meta, people who be furious-- possibly more so. That mentality caters closer to the raid community, which people have... shall we say, varying opinions towards. That being said, I agree. My interpretation of his comments were healers should focus on healing first and he, personally, dislikes the push towards more DPS.

[Galaktica]

Another low-tier bait thread. sigh, subtlety is an unappreciated art.

[Mimilu]

...Is this a joke thread or is the OP being serious? I can't tell anymore...