Relics!!!

[dragonseth07]

all I'm saying is more quests should be put in to continue building both relics up so it isn't just a time sink that gets outdated.

Quests to build up the old relic? Sure, let's say you can take your level 50 relic and upgrade it to level 60. We'll have a whole new quest line, with new models for each step. We can call it... the Anima questline!

It is one giant upgrade questline. It is. It's broken up so that you can start at the latest expansion (with extra work), but it is one giant upgrade questline, just like you're asking for.

Remember the i125 step, where you take the Nexus weapon and turn it into a Zodiac Brave weapon? It's not the same weapon anymore, you basically used the old one as a crafting mat. It's the same thing going to the Anima quests.

Edit: Specifically, if you recall, we had Mutamix convert the relic weapon into Materia, because it couldn't be perfected further. That Materia was used as a material to help recreate the Zodiac Brave weapon, a new starting point. The Zodiac Brave weapon can't be perfected further, so we need to use it in helping to forge a new weapon, a new starting point. We've done it before, and we'll do it again and again.

[HaelseMikiro]

So...if the optional step to fate grind for the anima cyrstals didn't exist and you were forced to turn in your 50 zeta, you'd be perfectly happy with it?

[dragonseth07]

So...if the optional step to fate grind for the anima cyrstals didn't exist and you were forced to turn in your 50 zeta, you'd be perfectly happy with it?

It looks like the issue is the name of the weapon changing. I should be using my Blunt Aeolian Scimitar all the way to 275 dangit!

[Frizze]

I thought the benefit was eventually getting a weapon either at the highest level or close to it, and customizing the stats to your specifications. Not hoping that the best weapon has your preferred secondary stats, guaranteeing that it does.

[AmalonStar]

What is so bad about wanting 2 different relic quest lines that evolve with each level cap increase?

Is it that difficult to do quest lines like that? I don't have issues with the name changing or the look of the weapon. What has bothered me is scrapping them after the work that goes into them.

The ARR relic you can't use all the way up to level 60 and even then trading it in to skip one step, like come on.

They could have kept that relic line going and for the final form make it an ilvl 280, give it that extra incentive to keep going on that one. They could have done it where using one relic would have it's perks for this content while the other one was better suited for that content or something

[Elamys]

That's just a huge waste of time for players and nobody wants to deal with switching weapons based on content, or grinding an old weapon because it's better for that kind of content - would you? Every other piece of gear in the game becomes worthless when a new expansion comes out; the fact that you can trade in the zodiac weapon to get a head start on the anima is a great nod to the people who invested the time.

The point of zodiac and anima weapons was to have a good weapon that you continued to evolve over the expansion's lifetime. If you invested time in that weapon, you didn't need to farm currency, or raid, or get a crafted piece; your relic weapon stays with you. It sucks that all your hard work got turned into glamour, but so did every other piece of gear from that time. I can't fathom many people who would want to do both grinds.

[ManuelBravo]

I can't fathom many people who would want to do both grinds.

There are people whoa re dedicated and have experience with relics in the past. If you ever played FFXI you would understand that there are people who are really dedicated. I for one have most relics and myth weapons and believe me compare to FFXIV they are 100x harder even after FFXI was nerfed. While you may think its a glamor there is more to it. I can't understand why people like to grind fates? My personal experience with players that have relics tend to understand their job better than people who grind fates or do raids. A relic user actually comprehends more their job and the flow of battle. I'm sorry that you see it as a hard work gone to waste, yet you have to look beyond that. Sure you get to skip the grinding fate part by having a Zodiac. thank God, the experience is what makes a difference between person who fate grinds and a person that is more resourceful.

[Elamys]

A relic user actually comprehends more their job and the flow of battle. I'm sorry that you see it as a hard work gone to waste, yet you have to look beyond that. Sure you get to skip the grinding fate part by having a Zodiac. thank God, the experience is what makes a difference between person who fate grinds and a person that is more resourceful.

What in the hell? Completely disregarding this whole "people who did the relic grind are better at the game!!!!" because it's not hard, it's a time sink. I've done both of them (well, I haven't finished my anima yet). You ignored the second part of what I said - why would you want to do both relics solely to switch between different kinds of content? That's just not good game design Amalon wanted the zodiac quest line to be continued, it WAS, by allowing you to use it towards the anima.

[ManuelBravo]

What in the hell? Completely disregarding this whole "people who did the relic grind are better at the game!!!!" because it's not hard, it's a time sink. I've done both of them (well, I haven't finished my anima yet). You ignored the second part of what I said - why would you want to do both relics solely to switch between different kinds of content? That's just not good game design Amalon wanted the zodiac quest line to be continued, it WAS, by allowing you to use it towards the anima.

Ok taking it out of context, I find t hat people who grind relics have better understanding from my experience. There are some that still not 100% but are more likely to listen and follow mechanics. As part of your second statement - Why would you want to do both relics solely to switch between different kinds of content? once again its' to skip the mindless fate grinding of farming crystals and OBTAIN a better understanding of the job mechanics. Even now as mentor, I have come across various players who refuse to listen to mechanics and really cause others to rage quit. For example a healer AST, who only fate grinds and refuses to use Cards, WHM who rather DPS and keep Cleric stance up and ignore the fact that they are healers. When asked why they say, this is how I play. BY THEIR OWN CHOICE, then complain that they get voted off. In no way, shape, or form Do I claim that RELIC users are the better players just because they have a Relic weapon, I do however claim that do to their patience, conviction, and various type of grinding they have come to understand mechanics a bit better and are willing to take advice. In other words they see both sides of the coin. There are some raid wep users that are really good and can outclass relic users. Once again they have put in hard work in a different way and usually have the relic weapon as well. Everyone has a style they play, some shine more than others. As for the Zodiac brave story how far can you really go into it? Maybe do it like FFXI and see one of the spirit that owned the weapon? Then Add a Myth type? Maybe in the future where you need minimum a title for a type of God weapon were RELIC is suppose to be the strongest weapon in the game? Who knows. Relics were designed so players can alter the stats to their style. Same reason why I rather do relics, achievements, learning or fine tuning my character cool down rotations. or the usual bragging rights.

[AmalonStar]

I've said this in another thread too, because I've already pre-ordered stormblood I'll see how it goes but if it ends up being the same old grind for gear like I've noticed this far I doubt I'll continue playing.

I like having gear that lasts for more than a few months or so with how often gear gets out dated it's rather difficult levelling other jobs/crafts without sacrificing ones you have already levelled and geared. This has been the first mmo I've ever played where I've had this problem and I've played quite a few. I end up spending so much time updating gear I haven't been able to other content I would like to have done.