Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[Lirion]

A healers main job is to keep the party alive, if they're comfortable with DPSing as well great, if not that's ok. I hope players who want to play healers who read this thread don't get discouraged because they feel like they need to DPS or they suck, if you're in my party, as long as you keep the party alive do whatever the .... you want.

[Faliandra]

But I just never see anything like 13 mins in any of the plus 200 ilvl dungeons, even tho I hear it all the time on here Ive never seen it.

They arent lying though. My experts always take around 13 minutes. I join as a whm doing some pretty good damage, usually my SMN or MNK (or even both) friend are with me, and they both do tons of dps.
So thats our base. Usually the tanks we get are doing fine, too. So the only thing to slow us down might be the second dps spot. But overall we already provide enough dps that the 2nd dps can pretty much twiddle his thumbs...and
we will still be pretty quick.

[bswpayton]

They arent lying though. My experts always take around 13 minutes. I join as a whm doing some pretty good damage, usually my SMN or MNK (or

Ive seen it all types of ways and like I said seen dps well over 2k ps and it still takes two mins in tank stances Im doing over 1000 plus I do still have kinna weapon which sucks but I pull every thing up to artificial wall and just even after first boss in sohm all hard takes about 7 to 8 mins alone so I dont get where these numbers are coming from. first boss alone usually takes like 3 mins or more so Im not following I big pull in ever single dungeon, including the very first few leveling dungeons Ive gotten out of copper bell mines quicker than some of the expert dungeons hmm I dont know. You guys must be pushing like 3k 4 k damage or something I hardly dps so I really dont know how it works for them

[Lexia]

you must have a hard time in dungeons

No I don't but then again I'm not trying to treat this game like a job. Whether it taking 15 minutes or 30 minutes doesn't really matter to me cause I'm playing the game to have fun. If you find speed running fun good for you but if we talking about DF then going to get people of all skill levels and mentality of the game. If i was so worried about how I spent my time I wouldn't be playing video games and would be using that time to do something that would benefit me in RL. I'm sure there other people with that viewpoint also.

[RaijinSupreme]

No I don't but then again I'm not trying to treat this game like a job. Whether it taking 15 minutes or 30 minutes doesn't really matter to me cause I'm playing the game to have fun. If you find speed running fun good for you but if we talking about DF then going to get people of all skill levels and mentality of the game. If i was so worried about how I spent my time I wouldn't be playing video games and would be using that time to do something that would benefit me in RL. I'm sure there other people with that viewpoint also.

lol its not really speed running though. I play regularly as well, and what matters to me is having fun as well. But it usually doesn't take me 20+ to get through a regular dungeon on a Roulette either.

wasn't accusing you of not worrying about fun. Fun is good. fun is appropriate.

btw, you say you're not worried about how you spend your time playing this game, yet you're here arguing about the very thing...? I mean, I guess.

[SenorPatty]

Oh holy hell... we didn't get through the dungeon a whopping 2 minutes faster...

Oh my god my... life... is... over... Seriously some of you need to get one...

If the party walked out of there, and you completed it... then its only your own BS you're stuck on... and whopping 2 minutes isn't going to kill you.

The end result is... did you complete it... or did the party get continuously wiped and fail... well if you walked out of there as a success... you win... game over...

No need to get caught up in the petty crap.

This is pretty much what I feel about the people in this thread. How bad is a DF run that you need a healer's dps to complete it? How slow is a DF run that you feel the need to have your healer dps? If you're in a run where the dps is already slicing through mobs like butter but still feel slow because your healer is not dpsing, blame your own impatience and not the healer.

[Kit-Kat]

This is pretty much what I feel about the people in this thread. How bad is a DF run that you need a healer's dps to complete it? How slow is a DF run that you feel the need to have your healer dps? If you're in a run where the dps is already slicing through mobs like butter but still feel slow because your healer is not dpsing, blame your own impatience and not the healer.

Because people can't get the point of the discussion. It's not about having slow dps, it's not about being impossible without healer's dps. Healer dps is NOT NEEDED. However, the way the game is designed, healers barely have to heal constantly, there are times that you don't have to heal at all, specially as SCH. So you're wasting time and potential on doing basically nothing while you could be contributing to the run as everyone else, ignoring part of your skill kit which is actually strong. Again, it's not about dps doing low dps, people need to learn to read and comprehend.

[Lexia]

btw, you say you're not worried about how you spend your time playing this game, yet you're here arguing about the very thing...? I mean, I guess.

I just get the feeling that thread turned into something else then original topic and people are going like "well if you can't do this in 13 minutes (or w/e the time was) then a bad player"

[bswpayton]

Because people can't get the point of the discussion.

But again this is a lie because I can assure you that only about fifty percent of takes us proper mitigation. Thanks will pull ten adds and not use a single cool down don't act like it doesn't happen. So if we gona talk about heals let's talk about tanks not using proper mitigation goes both ways

[Kit-Kat]

But again this is a lie because I can assure you that only about fifty percent of takes us proper mitigation. Thanks will pull ten adds and not use a single cool down don't act like it doesn't happen. So if we gona talk about heals let's talk about tanks not using proper mitigation goes both ways

But we already do. This topic only just came up because Yoshi mentioned it recently in PAX. It doesn't mean we suddenly stopped blaming tanks for not using mitigating skills, dps for not using decent rotations to improve dps and just blame healers for everything.