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    Just to clarify, I DO dps, and I'm pretty good at it. I just don't feel like it is required. If you're exhausted, sick, or just having a bad day, do not feel forced to dps. It's much better to keep the party alive, and go at whatever pace you want. Be comfortable when you have to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    Just to clarify, I DO dps, and I'm pretty good at it. I just don't feel like it is required. If you're exhausted, sick, or just having a bad day, do not feel forced to dps. It's much better to keep the party alive, and go at whatever pace you want. Be comfortable when you have to be.
    Can I use this excuse to not keep BotD up? I'm having a bad day and it's just too much effort to manage all my oGCDs. What about defensive cooldowns? I just want to Fell Cleave for days and blowing Vengeance and Raw Intuition means more Fell Cleaves or Decimates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    +1 for agreement.

    Time will tell if that happens or not. I wouldn't mind a shift towards a more healing intensive design, but that'll need some pretty hefty tweaks across the board for it to happen.
    I would love a shift towards more healing intensive design. If you haven't attempted to heal in The Feat, I actually recommended it. Despite playing healers only sporadically, I love the sheer intensity and demand it requires. I couldn't turn on Cleric even if it were available. There is simply too much outgoing damage. It's entirely manageable but asks people to know their role well. If a similar philosophy were attempted overall, I firmly believe we'd see much less pushback for healers to DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Can I use this excuse to not keep BotD up? I'm having a bad day and it's just too much effort to manage all my oGCDs. What about defensive cooldowns? I just want to Fell Cleave for days and blowing Vengeance and Raw Intuition means more Fell Cleaves or Decimates.
    Not doing damage as a DPS and focusing on DPS as a tank are not interchangeable with not DPSing as a healer. Excellent healers attack. Good healers keep the party alive. In any case, in case someone's having a bad day I never complain on things like Expert Roulette. Those are there to be friendly. If someone's having a bad day, just be nice.
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    Last edited by PondHollow; 03-12-2017 at 11:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NolLacnala View Post
    I was the highest DPS in dfs here and there, it is very easy to do sub 50 actually. Handing out DPS when you can makes things go quicker. Plus I do not see why you wouldn't... and now I figured out why that picture is there......

    How in the world do you just heal as a SCH and not get board Bixillarla?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bixillarla View Post
    Thank you Yoshi for backing up my position lol. I don't DPS as a healer, we are there to heal not do damage.
    ANYTIME you are over the cap, as in you are gear sync, EoS can handle 80-100% of the healing (depending on df/bosses, sometimes you may have to drop it) but in most cases if you are over geared you do not need to. I saw someone streaning me that said I was 60% or so of total healing and 80% of that came form eos in void ark, I was pretty much 100% cleric cept drooping it for a quick spell here and there.
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 03-12-2017 at 11:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PondHollow View Post
    Not doing damage as a DPS and focusing on DPS as a tank are not comparable to not DPSing as a healer. Excellent healers attack. Good healers keep the party alive.
    No player can be classified as good if they ignore a third of their toolkit and spend half the fight standing around doing nothing. By technical definition, a tank only has to maintain aggro. I can easily do that by spamming Flash. Not using cooldowns does not mean I'll lose hate. It only makes the job harder for the healer. Likewise, my only requirement as a DPS is to deal damage. There is not stipulation on how much damage that entails.

    This has been an ongoing debate on the healer forum. Someone made a video where she did Xelphatol with FC members and literally spent 80% of the dungeon jumping around the map and spamming emotes. Her contributions were that low. Does this sound like a good player?
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 03-12-2017 at 12:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    No player can be classified as good if they ignore a third of their toolkit and spend half the fight standing around doing nothing. By technical definition, a tank only has to maintain aggro. I can easily do that by spamming Flash. Not using cooldowns does not mean I'll lose hate. It only makes the job harder for the healer. Likewise, my only requirement as a DPS is to deal damage. There is not stipulation on how much damage that entails.

    This has been an ongoing debate on the healer forum. Someone made a video where she did Xelphatol with FC members and literally spent 80% of the dungeon jumping around the map and spamming emotes. Her contributions were that low. Does this sound like a good player?
    where is this? can i get a link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    This has been an ongoing debate on the healer forum. Someone made a video where she did Xelphatol with FC members and literally spent 80% of the dungeon jumping around the map and spamming emotes. Her contributions were that low. Does this sound like a good player?
    If they didn't let anyone die then yeah, yeah they do sound like a good player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi View Post
    If they didn't let anyone die then yeah, yeah they do sound like a good player.
    So the godly dps matchign buttons every 1-2 seconds is less then a good player then one that hits one every 5 minutes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    where is this? can i get a link?
    Was looking for it actually. Found it!

    Quote Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi View Post
    If they didn't let anyone die then yeah, yeah they do sound like a good player.
    Does this criteria apply to tanks? As per my example, a tank spamming Flash will maintain aggro. I guess that makes them a good player too.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 03-12-2017 at 12:22 PM.

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