Innapropriate use of the term Toxic

[Llus]

In my opinion, though many of those points you described aren't particularly toxic on their own, a player's hevahour can greatly influence how these matters are perceived. If a healer kindly asks the tank to do bigger pulls as the healer can manage, fair enough. But if the healer/DPS goes into a massive tirade on why the hell is the tank pulling pathetically small mobs and they're a terrible tank etc etc THEN I would class that as toxic behaviour. It's all about context and tone.

Absolutely, context and tone make all the difference.

[Llus]

The MMO term for it, not the actual term for it.

/10.chars.

[Settiesama]

If any term needs to be stopped, it's using 'Aggro' in the middle of a fight. Enmity is not the same thing as Aggro.

"In MMORPG's and MUD's, means that an NPC will attack pre-emptively, instead of only returning an attack."

[Faliandra]

However, people refusing advice, slacking and hoping for a carry should be labeled as apathetic and/or lazy.

You are right, but I feel I am right as well. While their actual behaviour itself may not be toxic, it causes toxicity amongst players.

The decent players are tired of carrying bad players, especially if they dont react to advise or simply refuse to use it.
Then the bad player may get kicked and come to the forums crying about how toxic the community is.

Then the decent players get pissed over being called toxic when all they want you to do is TRY.
It's a vicious circle.

Hence why I mentioned it.

[Xlantaa]

If any term needs to be stopped, it's using 'Aggro' in the middle of a fight. Enmity is not the same thing as Aggro.

"In MMORPG's and MUD's, means that an NPC will attack pre-emptively, instead of only returning an attack."

As far I know, it is the same. In this game, they called to aggro "Enmity". Both are the same, how much a enemy "hate" you to attack. It is called "hate" too.

[Settiesama]

As far I know, it is the same. In this game, they called to aggro "Enmity". Both are the same, how much a enemy "hate" you to attack. It is called "hate" too.

Enmity (which literally means hate) is the measure of how much the enemy hates you, and will turn on you if the generate the most, in other games this may be called Threat too. Aggro is when a monster is idle, and when you run past it, turns aggressive on you. It's not the same thing.

Of course, you can argue that different games have different meaning for things etc. Which of course then leaves the OP of this thread no leg to stand on, as Toxic itself has been altered in this regard.

[Alistaire]

How about we look at the bigger picture and how the word toxic is just a deflection by people who don't want to even acknowledge what's being asked of them?

[Kaethra]

While being a jerk to a newbie for being new is one of my pet peeves and I will do everything in my power to punish those personally who do it. The amount of players who complain about minor things is getting a bit ridiculous.

If you want to see toxic communities. Go play a Free to Play game where you have to game with the riffraff. In those games, racist slurs and sexual insults are normal speech since you can't ban thousands of players a day. Where harassment goes unpunished because the number of violations is too much to moderate. By comparison you won't see this in FFXIV because no one is going to buy the game and a first month sub just to say a bad word. Or risk months of work (and sub fees). But in a F2P game, its as simple as making another fake email addy.

We literally do NOT need a new thread every time someone says something mean to someone else. Get your thick hide on people. You're all adults and adolescents, harsh words and attitudes are something you have to deal with in life.

[Darkstride]

It's like the term "elitist" that gets tossed around haphazardly.

If you're consistently terrible and don't respond well to genuine advice, then someone is not an "elitist" because they don't want you dragging them down.

People have become too fragile, and entitlement has become a problem.