Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

[Miste]

Raiders and Anima owners wouldn't have done Diadem if the weapon was only i275.

Erm...I am a raider and I have my anima and I edited it in after so you might not have seen it but I said I would have done Diadem to get weapons for alt jobs if they were a bit easier to obtain and if SE made them i275 they might have been not so rare.

So uh...that statement is false.

Your personal issue should be that the Anima weapon was not released sooner.

Erm...you can't just tell someone else what their personal issues should be. Like...this whole statement you made is pointless.

Had I known i280 diadem weapons were coming so close to the final relic step then I could have voiced my issue with it, but as I didn't know (and no one else knew either) then I can't have an issue with it can I?

So in the end the turning point where it became an issue was i280 weapons coming out without warning 9 days after final relic step so unless I can go back in time and know the future then my personal issue with it still exists and you can't just dictate to me what personal issues I should have or not have.

Weaving a situation like that and then attempting to compare is a cheap shot

You're making assumptions about me. I wasn't being hostile I was asking a question because I didn't understand some player's points of view. I wanted to know if, since they are fine with this system, if they are fine with the scenario I mentioned also. I was trying to understand, not to "cheap shot" anyone so that is incorrect.

Well since my issue was the relic only lasting 9 days then I can propose a solution then.

Most people like more options so I suggest adding another relic step that increases it to i280 and also adding something raiders can get to upgrade the savage weapon to i280. They can make it around the same difficulty for all 3 options just as long as they add the options then.

That should fix any problems people have. People who like the i280 diadem can still do it and still get it and relic and savage owners also have a way to get i280 versions of their weapons. Should be no problem there then and it adds more ways to get i280 weapons. This also solves the people having nothing to do because people have 3 options to make/get an i280.

[Reynhart]

Erm...you can't just tell someone else what their personal issues should be. Like...this whole statement you made is pointless.

Considering people expected the game would follow the footsteps on ARR for its formula, the release for Anima steps is actually the biggest difference.

Most people like more options so I suggest adding another relic step that increases it to i280 and also adding something raiders can get to upgrade the savage weapon to i280. They can make it around the same difficulty for all 3 options just as long as they add the options then.

What's the difference ? Since Diadem is the content that need to be promoted, would it be different if Emergency Missions randomly drops an item that could upgrade your Raid/Anima weapon while randomizing its stats ?

I'd like to come back to one of your earlier post, and more, importantly the answer you received from that. Yes, I would totally be okay to have Eureka give an i315 weapon at the same time as Omega1 is released. Because it's another option. And, since you did have an Anima weapon, you know that doing an Anima is not being lazy nor fightin against RNG for hours and hours.

[Aquaslash]

What's the point ? It's even more useless than an i280 weapon.
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Seeing is believing. The point is to directly hype for Stormblood by giving you something immediately useful when it hits and possibly for the long term if you like how it looks. People are already farming caster and monk gear now. Why not give them a taste of the main hands? Perhaps previewing the stances and trying glamours on their own characters will provide the push to sway them over if they were on the fence.

[Reynhart]

Seeing is believing. The point is to directly hype for Stormblood by giving you something immediately useful when it hits and possibly for the long term if you like how it looks.

You will have tons of new weapons available for RDM and SAM when SB launches, even before having access to the Diadem if you're a new player. One of the first weapon I sought as a DRK what the 2.1 EX Primal weapon even though I could buy a stronger one form vendors...

[ErryK]

You're making assumptions about me. I wasn't being hostile I was asking a question because I didn't understand some player's points of view. I wanted to know if, since they are fine with this system, if they are fine with the scenario I mentioned also. I was trying to understand, not to "cheap shot" anyone so that is incorrect.

Fair enough, I apologize for any malicious intent in my post.

[Neophyte]

Raiders frequently complained that Savage was not the only option. The real problem with options is not really to have one or several, but to have one content cover every need.

Why care about this really small minorty? There was only one real issue, that was withthe 210 relic and the Gordian weapon and Yoshi-P admitted himself that this was a bad decision, just alone because of the Ultra high difiicult of Gordias and the timeframes back then.

Never again this was a huge issue and since then there was almost no complaint thread regarding relic becoming raid level.

Please link a thread which complains about availability of 275 weapons with many supporting raiders in there. You won't find one.

No, it wouldn't. Raiders wouldn't group with "casuals" to gain a kind of weapon they already have, and Anima owners wouldn't do it either since their alt job would easily obtain a wapon powerful enough for any content, and their main already has the BiS weapon.

You don't seem to know very much about gearing in this game.
"They already have their BiS"? Wat? BiS changes as soon as more options on the same ilvl are added, rendering your current BiS not BiS anymore.

They would. They already join together with them in every relic related quest, they join together with them in every primal ex group, they join them in roulettes, which you need to get the normal 270 gear. They join them in 24-man, to get the upgrade and the proto-ultima drop and 260 gear for their 7th/8th/xxth Job.

And yes, of course I would join Diadem to get the 2-3 pieces everyone of my jobs need for the then-new BiS, if the acquisition rate is similar to savage/scripture/Protoultima.

And glamour is a thing, too, at least that was said about relic and savage weapon. So, at least for this reason, we would join you filthy casuals. :3

"Once a week" is not particularly "alive". Especially if you intend it to still be alive for the next three months.

I complete Dun Scath usually 3-4 times a week. 1-2 times to get a neat item, 2-3 times to help some fc mates. Yes, only MNK and NIN [that one is not even levelled] are below 240, but that's still 8 interesting items for me and glamour is a thing, too.

"Once a week" only applies if you don't want to have a specific gear piece.
And a Diadem with the same "popularity" as Dun Scath would still be considered a success. Why overdo it?

It's a fact that lots of people of having nothing to do at all between 2.5 and 3.0.

Well, they can do Diadem, all I'm saying is that a 280 weapon should not be needed as an incentive.

"Having nothing to do" = "Having no higher ilvl to obtain"? That's your opinion?

All the people that asked for new relevant content do so beside Savage and are upset that their character only improves every 6 months.

Please, link a thread. I think I saw something like this once, too, but well.. that wasn't well recieved as far as I remember.

People complaining about fast gear recycling are way in the majority if you look at the forums. Many complain that they can't gear all their jobs within a gear tier.
Additional high level sets help with that issue.

It really depends on people, in fact. You have some skilled players totally unable to have the patience to farm for the Anima of the Diadem. For them, Anima is "harder". Savage has the highest skill requiement, but, first, skill is not the only thing that should be rewarded, and second, skill doesn't have to cover every reward.

And still.. then make the rewards equal in value at least. Or comparable at least. And not a hidden ilvl 290 weapon with a 280 tag and destryoing absolutly every other weapon.
Savage weapons, although they were (for some jobs) BiS, never were that out of scale.

It sure would be a great way to push people doing PotD again, yes. Or, even more, you make PotD a requirement to unlock a unique Necromancer job.

But they already do it, because the current incentive (fast leveling) is enough.
Incentives are only working when total overkill? I don't think so.

[Maero]

Some of you are missing the point of it all, like really.
Anima was made 275 and like what a week later a 280 Weapon was introduced...
It is NOT the first time SE pulled off something similar but hey if you do not want to call them out on it by all means they will just continue this pattern.

[Remus]

oh boy maintenance on the 14th. you think they will change the ilvl of the weapon... Kappa

[Alaina]

Cya in June

[Llus]

Well, the 280 was just a byproduct of obtaining the mount I think. It's not like we're farming the weapon to trade the in, lol.

Mount, minion, gear or weapon it's still content that attracts players even if the 280 is thrown in the trash.

I'm subscribed and stay subscribed, but to use a unexpected and absolutly unbalanced weapon as an incentive is just the most lame attemp to get people into a content.
Yes, savage had his "unique" weapon, too. But that one was in balance, only having a slight higher value than a good 270 one (+1 WD, 10ish more substats, 2 substats) and therefore competing on almost even ground with other ways to obtain high weapons.

From a strictly business perspective though, it's a great move. People that have never touched savage raids or don't have the patience for the anima weapon can try to farm for a BiS weapon just by zerging fates over and over. Gimmicky? absolutely; unbalanced? yea, I'd have to agree with that 100% - but so is giving an ever increasing echo (and even auto-echo). This just happens to be unique to the individual vs applied to the entire group. Unless you're trying to hit top parse numbers on fflogs though; it really doesn't do a whole lot for or against you individually (assuming you have an i270/i275 weapon already)

It will be annoying that my farm groups (as soon as the lockout is removed) is competing for players with the lame diadem, just because they slapped a 280 weapon onto it.

Now, this is probably the best argument against the weapon I've seen. Because it prematurely ends A12S for mid-core raiders still farming for the creator weapon.

Instead of making such a content, they could have made a supplementary content, like the scripture/savage gear, which are both used to complete a desired gear set. Some imagined their desired gear with a relic, some with an upgraded weapon, some with a 275 savage weapon, some gear from there, some gear from here, update from hunts, some materia slapped on it, etc...
Diadem is not supplementary, it's replacing. The proto ultima gear was well recieved, why do you think people were pleased with those (not talking about the Encounter, just about the rewards)?
Do you think a 280 right side would have recieved even better feedback and people would've been even more satisfied compared to the new 270 stuff we got? Maybe if only on out of the 24 man get a random one (not for their class) with 0,001% chance? Would that be cool?
No. It would've killed A9S in an instant and everyone would run Dun Scath and bail after Ultima. Wow, great.

And people complain because they feel the current decision is euqally bad.

Imagine PotD was not just only the fastest way of leveling, but with PotD you could also reach Level 61 (with additional stat boosts). Would this be bad and an unfair incentive towards the other level opportunites (not only difference in speed, but also value of the reward much higher)? Why? In Stormblood (only 3 months!!!) the Level cap is raised anyway. /shrug

I think the PotD argument is stretching a bit, but I understand where you're coming from.

As far as the i270 gear from the weekly DS raid, you're right it was much better received and if they'd given a 280 ultra-rare drop there would have been as much if not more complaints; but DS would be popping non-stop if they had and A9S would be completely dead (still, pretty much dead now except for late comers - I rarely see A9S parties other than learn in PF anymore).

The best argument against the 280 weapon is that it may prematurely shorten the lifespan of A12S for those that haven't gotten their first clear yet (for those that are doing it for gear only) and I agree a 275 weapon would have been better (or better yet, whatever the drop is that's needed to upgrade the shire weapon). But how long would that content run? You see how quickly other casual content dies - look at any casual PvP content, 24-man raids when there's no incentive to run it and you'd have the same drop-off on diadem - a month or two and then it'd be dead and people would beg for new content. We'll have to see, but I'm guessing that Diadem will hold attention through the end of HW for a LOT of people. I just hope the 280 weapon drop rate doesn't get nerfed (it likely will though - either that or it'll get tokenized).