[SUGGESTION] Make raise cap with challenges every 5 levels

[Serilda]

red mage by any chance?

Nope, he was Bard

Unfortunately we normally carried him through everything so it was the very first time the game really required him to pay attention. He couldn't handle it.

The irony is that some odd (5-50) job quests are incredibly difficult if at the correct level & in gear readily available (eg not HQ crafted or melded), for *some* classes/jobs, whereas others are incredibly easy. There isn't the parity across the board. Obviously none are undoable but for a new player they can be trouble.

Yeah, I feel as though it's a bit of a lottery. Most are extremely easy but a couple can be rough, especially for actual new players. It would be nice to have more consistency and make completing the quests require paying proper attention, instead of them being an artificial time-wasting diversion every few levels which don't feel as big a deal as the stories imply.

[Ama_Hamada]

Nope, he was Bard

Unfortunately we normally carried him through everything so it was the very first time the game really required him to pay attention. He couldn't handle it.

I had to look that one up since I only know of how to rush him but way you sound, would be not possible for them to do. So I wondered if it was like whm where you can just sleep him or something:

This is a pretty straight forward strategy on how to defeat Maat without anything fancy. It has worked for multiple people and is worth posting. You can, butdon't need to sleep yourself to 100%tp. You should take at least a couple hi-potions just in case (especially if going to fight Maat at lvl 66 or 67). It is also helpful to have a Carapace body piece. Blink Band, Stoneskin items also help, but are not needed.

Basically upon entering the fight, you run until Maat is in view. Soul Voice, double Paeon, Requiem Maat, then Elegy him. If you've got decent defense and a decent attack, go ahead and melee him WSing whenever you can. If you're short on funds, simply kite him, resinging Requiem before Soul Voice wears off. Soul Voice + Requiem, if put on him soon after entering the fight, will pretty much kill him without any help. Just be sure to dispel any Paeons he might put on himself as well as pop a hi-pot to stay in the white HP range. When I did this strategy and used a sword, I beat him in about 5 minutes with full hp, using only one hi-potion to max my Spirits Within.

All you do is dot him to death while using regen songs on yourself, while using a slow effect and keeping him dispeled of regen songs. The only hard maat was RDM because most people expect it just to be a healer and not gear it like a BLM needs to.

I do not know if this suggestion is the right way of going about it, but with all the people I seen have max gear, or max level with -- for every other class and still does not know how to play, some kind of tutorial gate is needed. There is a lot of people at 60+ muti jobs right now that does not have a clue how to play properly. I think my favorite story was how my friend was told MCH using AoE is too weak because it is only 120 potency even though there is 10+ monsters to hit in ARF. (Also btw, that is the reason she stopped trying to farm lore in ARF, just too many bad players going in there dispirit that they should know better.) Thanks to a thread I made, she end up being much happier farming a place for 100 lore in 10-15 mins (depending on matchmaking)

[ChloeGrace]

NO FREAKING WAY.
I hated that guy, and all those boring a$$ed genkais.

[Culfinrandir]

Making the job quests actually hard would be nice.

The irony is that some odd (5-50) job quests are incredibly difficult if at the correct level & in gear readily available (eg not HQ crafted or melded), for *some* classes/jobs, whereas others are incredibly easy. There isn't the parity across the board. Obviously none are undoable but for a new player they can be trouble.

[Culfinrandir]

You mean like a basic job check? Which would cover all the basics of the job.

No thank you. If they don't know their job by lvl 70 then they won't know it anytime soon

Do you know your job at lvl65 after the battle changes? You do! Then you are a god. /sarcasm

The OP has a point, as do you, but we don't know what the battle system changes will be nor do we know what actions will be introduced to the jobs. Some changed quite radically between lvl 50 & lvl60, with introductions of stances to jobs that never had them (SMN & BLM) for example. Not forgetting that both Samurai & Red Mage will have only just appeared. The amount of AST/DRK/MCH who don't know their jobs by lvl50 is still remarkable.

[ShinMetsu]

I approve of this idea.

Make a ridiculously hard fight to break lv60.
No getting past 60 for scrubs. Ala Mhigan resistance doesn't need scrubs.

edit: Nvm, it doesn't have to be too hard. There is people not capable of extremely hard stuff, it would be nice if ffxiv stayed disabled-friendly. Their enjoyment is just as important as anyone elses'.

[worldofneil]

I remember XI's WHM Maat quests were basically run around for 5 minutes curing yourself. Extremely challenging

[BigRed5392]

With lv raising cap (60 to 70), make it challenging for players to reach the cap so that they can clear challenges only by correctly play their job. Yes, i am not asking for inclusive system but exclusive. Yes, I am talking about something like this guy.



Edit by listening to all these dumb questions: DELETE BALMUNG.

my gf, who is a 7 year vet of ff11, having played over 75 characters, 6 of them reaching 75, and 3 of them reaching 90 till she quit, says:

if you didn't play ff11 long term, only the base, and zilart jobs got maat. the treasures jobs got their respected quest starter. Also stated none of the level cap quests were hard to do, even maat fight could be done easily with little to no effort based on your job. Like whm only has to heal self for 5 min and thf only had to steal a pebble from maat. Infact most of each maat fight was cheesing it, not playing it correctly such as entering naked, or with a 1 handed weapon. like the rdm state was to enter use staves to sleep him then nuke> sleep still dead. In sone cases it was a luck of a draw on what he would do during the fight.

None of the quests added much of anything, and only gated leveling up with tedious quests you couldn't solo till maat which you HAD to solo. Which in most cases you pick a job you can cheese the fight with, and not touch it again.

For those confused @ 50 you would get a quest to uncap leveling for the next 5 levels up to 70 which was a Maat fight or equivalent.


she also says: the lvl 15 cnj actually encourages you to heal the npc. It can be done solely keeping the npc alive while they kill everything. If people choose to dos instead, that is their choice, but it can be done by healing only.

[Serilda]

None of the quests added much of anything, and only gated leveling up with tedious quests you couldn't solo till maat which you HAD to solo.

75 characters?!?

I don't think they should add actual genkai quests which lock your experience until you unlock them like in FFXI as XIV is so instance-heavy that it would just be annoying, but in defence of the XI system the quests were actually extremely challenging and interesting at first. I played before the English release so when people in my LS hit level 50 there were no other level 50+ characters in the game yet to carry them through which meant the tests required a lot of coordination (they were nerfed later, and people who joined later had an innate advantage as people who had already broken the limits could help). This kind of difficulty balancing can easily be achieved in XIV with instancing and a very aggressive ilvl sync.

[Headhunters]

I was DRK and failed 2 times, was kind of tedious to me specially farming/reaching Davoi boss for the item but Maat helped me not to rush with JA etc and use the a good time between CDs