I see so many complaints about these 2 dungeons but like... My first run was really fun. We had this super nice tank that told everyone to stfu or get out if they were gonna rush because there was 4 newbies in the party (one was the other tank). Then we just puttered along and she taught us how to do it properly (before we knew farming it for poetics was a thing lol).

Also last time I ran one (think it was castrum...). PLD was like "hi, sorry I'm new I dunno what's happening." And suddenly WAR stops dead on the first mob, says "PLD MTs." and everyone just went at the newbie's pace after that. Waited for cutscenes and everything. <3

So yeah, there are a lot of impatient/cruel people in this game, but I like to remember runs like these to remind me why I still love the community. :3