Remove Aetherochemical Research Facility from 60 Dungeon Roulette

[Vexander]

Please. I don't mind it when someone is new and needs to complete it to advance their story, but I've gotten it 4 days in a row now, with no one new. Some people may like the extra ESO's, but I don't have any dire need for them personally.

Add the dungeon to the MSQ Roulette, and add ESO's to that Roulette for those running it for their relics. I'd rather have variety and a chance at a dungeon pet or pieces of gear that would be nice for Glamoring, or crafting materials.

[Laurima]

AGREE COMPLETELY!!

out of Lvl60 roulette the last 2 weeks, I've rolled Lost city once, and this every other sodding time, It's not a roulette, it's garbage, boring, mundane, rubbish ><

[ErryK]

Instead of asking for it to be removed, how about you guys just leave the instance, take the 30m hit, and just queue for one of the other dungeons directly? If you don't need Esoterics, which is the main attraction of Lv60 roulette (100 Eso, 15 Lore), then why are you queuing for it? You get more out of running Hullbreaker HM or Sohr Kai (40 per instead of a potential 45). And even if the 5 Lore was a make or break, just do a Dragonskin/Wyvernskin Map, or better yet, run Aquapolis or do Gnath tribes. This game gives you so many avenues for tomestones it's ridiculous that people are complaining about a dungeon in a roulette popping up a lot.

[Vexander]

Instead of asking for it to be removed, how about you guys just leave the instance, take the 30m hit, and just queue for one of the other dungeons directly? If you don't need Esoterics, which is the main attraction of Lv60 roulette (100 Eso, 15 Lore), then why are you queuing for it? You get more out of running Hullbreaker HM or Sohr Kai (40 per instead of a potential 45). And even if the 5 Lore was a make or break, just do a Dragonskin/Wyvernskin Map, or better yet, run Aquapolis or do Gnath tribes. This game gives you so many avenues for tomestones it's ridiculous that people are complaining about a dungeon in a roulette popping up a lot.

I run the roulette because I try to run all my roulettes every day. I run the roulette because it used to be fun to think, "I wonder if I'll get Pharos Sirius HM, or maybe the Anti-Tower." If I wanted Lore Tomestones, I'd run Hullbreaker or Sohr Khai. But I cap out Lore Tomestones easily just doing the Expert Roulette.

Right now, it's not fun to run Aetherochemical Research Facility. It's boring. The purpose of the Roulette has been subverted. There is no Roulette. It's like an 80% chance of getting Aetherochemical Research Facility. I don't want to take away people's ability to farm Eso's for their relics. Removing this one dungeon from the 60 Roulette and adding it to another Roulette wouldn't suddenly diminish the number of Eso's they get from running the dungeon. It just gives the rest of us the opportunity to enjoy the Roulette as it was designed to be.

[Ilan]

I run the roulette because I try to run all my roulettes every day. I run the roulette because it used to be fun to think, "I wonder if I'll get Pharos Sirius HM, or maybe the Anti-Tower." If I wanted Lore Tomestones, I'd run Hullbreaker or Sohr Khai. But I cap out Lore Tomestones easily just doing the Expert Roulette.

Right now, it's not fun to run Aetherochemical Research Facility. It's boring. The purpose of the Roulette has been subverted. There is no Roulette. It's like an 80% chance of getting Aetherochemical Research Facility. I don't want to take away people's ability to farm Eso's for their relics. Removing this one dungeon from the 60 Roulette and adding it to another Roulette wouldn't suddenly diminish the number of Eso's they get from running the dungeon. It just gives the rest of us the opportunity to enjoy the Roulette as it was designed to be.

You really don't understand how it works, right? This roulette doesn't rotate you in different dungeons every time, it puts you there where your class/job is NEEDED.

[Vexander]

You really don't understand how it works, right? This roulette doesn't rotate you in different dungeons every time, it puts you there where your class/job is NEEDED.

I do understand that. But in this case, demand is changing the need. It's making the Roulette stale, boring, and predictable. That's what I'm hoping to see changed.

[Ilan]

I do understand that. But in this case, demand is changing the need. It's making the Roulette stale, boring, and predictable. That's what I'm hoping to see changed.

It will change as soon the most people are done with their relic. Sorry but i don't see any reason for a drama in that. But if you have success with your "demand" than i want that toto rak vanishes out of the leveling roulette and neverreap vanishes out of the level 60 roulette too.

[randysquirrel]

Removing this one dungeon from the 60 Roulette and adding it to another Roulette wouldn't suddenly diminish the number of Eso's they get from running the dungeon

They remove it and stick it in another roulette, suddenly every time you run that one it is always ARF. Return to forums and QQ again.
Others have pointed out, most have caught on the ARF is the quickest way to farm up esos, so even more people are queuing it right now than before.
You are right though, the thrill of "OMG will it be Anti Tower?! Will it be Pharos HM?!" sure was a high, the tension was palpable

Why do people post such dumb stuff on these forums

[SendohJin]

The purpose of the Roulette has been subverted.

No, it hasn't. The devs designed the roulette specifically so it will work that way.

[ErryK]

I run the roulette because I try to run all my roulettes every day.

OK, that's fair.

I run the roulette because it used to be fun to think, "I wonder if I'll get Pharos Sirius HM, or maybe the Anti-Tower." If I wanted Lore Tomestones, I'd run Hullbreaker or Sohr Khai. But I cap out Lore Tomestones easily just doing the Expert Roulette.

Oh wow, I didn't realize people ran roulettes to wonder if they got x or y dungeon... that's like getting into a car crash to wonder if you'll go to x or y hospital afterwards!

Right now, it's not fun to run Aetherochemical Research Facility. It's boring. The purpose of the Roulette has been subverted. There is no Roulette. It's like an 80% chance of getting Aetherochemical Research Facility. I don't want to take away people's ability to farm Eso's for their relics. Removing this one dungeon from the 60 Roulette and adding it to another Roulette wouldn't suddenly diminish the number of Eso's they get from running the dungeon. It just gives the rest of us the opportunity to enjoy the Roulette as it was designed to be.

"There is no roulette" Yeah no, I don't think you know the definition of a roulette. A roulette is random, and it also depends on whatever the roulette queue places you in. How do you know it's an 80% chance? It's not a flat 80% chance for everyone, bub. Just because it feels that way, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. My group got ARF when all four of us were together in a party last night, and tonight we got Lost City, so at the point where you have 4/4, it's guaranteed to be random. But if you so say that it's an "80% chance" it's ARF, then there is no one to blame but yourself for going into it and 'knowing it's 80% ARF'...

Also, in regards of moving it to a different roulette, no, it wouldn't diminish it, however it would make 0 sense to move it to another one as 4-mans comply to being 'Dungeons', while Castrum and Praetorium are classified as dungeons, they are 8-man duties... and synced to work with 8-man Lv50 duties, so they have a roulette for their own.

Roulette doesn't change to 100%/80% chance just because it looks that way for you... unless you can give me the math that makes it so.

ARF is a story dungeon that is required to progress. Removing it from roulette would be a disaster.

Also, this. Removing it from roulette would mean no one would do it, because most people who queue for ARF are already in preformed parties.