Zurvan EX - Warriors

[thegreatonemal]

the fight isn't badly designed just everyone trying to cheese the mechanics from day one because people who are geared for it said so so everyone follows suit. just blame your fellow players for going along with it and keep trying. All fights have mechanics that can be skipped with high dps its a way to rewards parties that do that kind of damage

[Bourne_Endeavor]

the fight isn't badly designed just everyone trying to cheese the mechanics from day one because people who are geared for it said so so everyone follows suit. just blame your fellow players for going along with it and keep trying. All fights have mechanics that can be skipped with high dps its a way to rewards parties that do that kind of damage

Why should we fault the playerbase though? Of all the EX Primals throughout Heavensward, Zurvan is by far the easiest to exploit. The only real requirement to skip Soar is knowing how to execute a proper opener. Frankly speaking, you have no business attempting EX Primals if you can't do that, and certainly not in farm parties. Adding to the problem, there is literally no reason to bring a second tank. At no point in the fight are swaps necessary and despite how hard the Wills hit, there isn't any additional outgoing damage. Thus, two healers have only one person to heal. Hardly a difficult task. People farming content aim for efficiency because they'll likely be repeating the fight several times. Had the first Soar not been skipable and there was an actual need for two tanks, we wouldn't have this issue.

[thegreatonemal]

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You blame the player base because they decided that they wanna go in with one tank and focus their entire tactic on skipping soar and not learning how to do it. and demon claw is why you need two tanks and hence why people dont wanna sue a warrior it cant do the 1 tank tatic all too well it require s a bunch of other stuff to work.

the soar skip requires two things gear and the ability to do your opener not everyone has the gear and by gear i mean nearing Bis not just loading up shire gear

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You blame the player base because they decided that they wanna go in with one tank and focus their entire tactic on skipping soar and not learning how to do it. and demon claw is why you need two tanks and hence why people dont wanna sue a warrior it cant do the 1 tank tatic all too well it require s a bunch of other stuff to work.

the soar skip requires two things gear and the ability to do your opener not everyone has the gear and by gear i mean nearing Bis not just loading up shire gear

How are they forced? If you dislike the group demands, you are free to leave and create your own party. The single tank strategy is a byproduct of the second tank having literally nothing to do. It isn't even pushing higher DPS. There just isn't any need for two tanks. Why bring two tanks for a mechanic you can simply Hallowed Ground through? Again, farm parties are all about efficiency.

And not at all. You need nowhere close to BiS for pushing Soar, especially seeing most groups take five DPS.

[thegreatonemal]

How are they forced? If you dislike the group demands, you are free to leave and create your own party. The single tank strategy is a byproduct of the second tank having literally nothing to do. It isn't even pushing higher DPS. There just isn't any need for two tanks. Why bring two tanks for a mechanic you can simply Hallowed Ground through? Again, farm parties are all about efficiency.

And not at all. You need nowhere close to BiS for pushing Soar, especially seeing most groups take five DPS.

It is forced whens the last time you saw a zurvan learning clear or farm party that has two tanks in it. i'll answer that for you never from day one every single party has been going in with 5 dps.

[Sacred_Nym]

It is forced whens the last time you saw a zurvan learning clear or farm party that has two tanks in it. i'll answer that for you never from day one every single party has been going in with 5 dps.

I actually see a fair number of 2 tank parties, typically because they want to do Claw the normal way, or they want to cheese it with the Cover method which reuires a Paladin to be Off-tanking. As a Warrior I've gotten into a few of these parties, and every single one sees two Soars before 75% and doesn't clear adds.

So yeah, it happens. They never clear, but it happens.

[Moomba33]

It is forced whens the last time you saw a zurvan learning clear or farm party that has two tanks in it. i'll answer that for you never from day one every single party has been going in with 5 dps.

I got my Zurvan Ex clear in a two tank party well after week 1. I still see two tank learning/clear parties going up on Primal. Also the occasional farm with a second tank/dps slot set.
It can't hurt to put up a two tank party and see if it fills.

[Singularity]

People farming content aim for efficiency because they'll likely be repeating the fight several times.

If they were genuinely aiming for efficiency, they would not be wasting the LB on the second Soar. It gives no additional uptime since Zurvan is not targetable during it, so they are in fact doing the fight less efficiently because they are too lazy to learn a mechanic.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It is forced whens the last time you saw a zurvan learning clear or farm party that has two tanks in it. i'll answer that for you never from day one every single party has been going in with 5 dps.

Because Zurvan is so easily exploitable. People will always following the path of least resistance. You don't blame the playerbase because they found an effective way of cheesing your fight. You might it so they can't cheese the fight to begin with. Random groups aren't obliged to clear content the way you fancy. If they insist on skipping Soar and bringing a single tank, then your option is to leave their party.

If they were genuinely aiming for efficiency, they would not be wasting the LB on the second Soar. It gives no additional uptime since Zurvan is not targetable during it, so they are in fact doing the fight less efficiently because they are too lazy to learn a mechanic.

Efficiency does not necessarily mean damage. Since you have no idea how random people will perform, tank LBing Soar eliminates potential failure when the fight is near over. Assuming your damage output is decent, Zurvan dies fast enough it doesn't even matter.