[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

[Ogulbuk]

There is loosing a roll due to luck of the draw. Then there is loosing a roll due to someone who doesn't give a rat's behind about that particular item deciding that the 800 seals they could get from it is important enough to completely remove your chance of getting a 30 ilevel increase for one of the other jobs you're leveling at the same time.

I'm so thorn... why are you not running that other job in that hypothetical run? You could be rolling need on that job. Being able to gear up another job with your current one is a perk, not supposed to be the mean way of getting it. IF Square considered this to be a valid principal way of progressing another job, then the solution is not to limit the use of Need, but expand it for any one that has an Other Job that can equip that item AND is in level range of that item.

Example:
lvl 53 DRG chest drops, your DRG secondary job is 54, you get to roll Need.
lvl 53 DRG chest drops, your DRG secondary job is 50, you don't get to roll Need.
lvl 53 DRG chest drops, your DRG secondary job is 58, you don't get to roll Need.

PS: the GC seals work towards my Anima weapon progression, and I'm also wasting time on that run that I am doing ONLY for anima weapon progression, because THAT is what I want those Lores for, you bet I'm going to run Need!

[ffchampion]

There is loosing a roll due to luck of the draw. Then there is loosing a roll due to someone who doesn't give a rat's behind about that particular item deciding that the 800 seals they could get from it is important enough to completely remove your chance of getting a 30 ilevel increase for one of the other jobs you're leveling at the same time.

want gear for that other job you are leveling? then play as that job! that way you can need on the gear. As someone who's second class is a tank i understand i don't the gear often and i'm fine with that as my main is DPS Nin. if i see that need button i need it. the only time i ever even greed is for my WAR or for WVR desynth. if it isn't 1 of those 3 things then i pass on it

[Vidu]

There is loosing a roll due to luck of the draw. Then there is loosing a roll due to someone who doesn't give a rat's behind about that particular item deciding that the 800 seals they could get from it is important enough to completely remove your chance of getting a 30 ilevel increase for one of the other jobs you're leveling at the same time.

So... YOU get to work on two jobs at the same time and multitask, but I dont get to work on my one job because I'm rolling need on an item that I'll turn into GC-seals, that go towards my relic?
Or you got to work on two jobs more easly and comfortable (really, we've discussed this: there are other and better means to gear up a class beside dungeon drops) by not letting me role "need" on items that drop for my class that I need for other purposes? Want gear for a specific class? PLAY that class!

[Kosmos992k]

There is loosing a roll due to luck of the draw. Then there is loosing a roll due to someone who doesn't give a rat's behind about that particular item deciding that the 800 seals they could get from it is important enough to completely remove your chance of getting a 30 ilevel increase for one of the other jobs you're leveling at the same time.

Who died and made you one of the Twelve? Why do you get to decide whether my need is less important than yours?

Suddenly I'm struck by how it feels like some are mining a vein of pure entitlement in this thread.

[Kosmos992k]

Wow OP sounds like a robot, anyway, That whole system you propose is idiotic, I get gear to glam/GC turns in for my anima relics so I'll be needing it......

I think that the OP knows exactly what they are doing and has enjoyed this topic immensely.

[Mholito]

Why are so many people acting like removing the ability to need on gear to sell prevents them from getting gear to sell? The greed button will still exist, and it will still give you roughly one fourth of the gear that drops, if not more. All that really changes for those that want seals or desynth is what button they press.

How much gear do you think you'll lose out on because of people that want it to gear up their current job or for glamour? The most valuable drops come from ex roulette dungeons, and almost nobody runs those to gear up jobs.


Edit: Just because I don't think your 800 seals are worth more than my 20 ilevel upgrade for an alt, doesn't mean I think the opposite is the case. I believe they are roughly equal in importance, and therefore should have an equal priority in determining who gets it.

[Settiesama]

Why are so many people acting like removing the ability to need on gear to sell prevents them from getting gear to sell? The greed button will still exist, and it will still give you roughly one fourth of the gear that drops, if not more. All that really changes for those that want seals or desynth is what button they press.

How much gear do you think you'll lose out on because of people that want it to gear up their current job or for glamour? The most valuable drops come from ex roulette dungeons, and almost nobody runs those to gear up jobs.


Edit: Just because I don't think your 800 seals are worth more than my 20 ilevel upgrade for an alt, doesn't mean I think the opposite is the case. I believe they are roughly equal in importance, and therefore should have an equal priority in determining who gets it.

And what stops you from using that Job to roll need? Seals can be used as an upgrade, so in a way they are still needing on an upgrade.

Sorry, but my need of seals and desynths is by far more important to me than a job you can't be bothered to use for said gear.

[Zigabar]

Please ignore this suggestion.

I'm trying to wrap my head around how this thread didn't end with this post. No amount of explaining is going to make OP's idea a good idea. Vanitas‎' is much more reasonable.

[Vidu]

Edit: Just because I don't think your 800 seals are worth more than my 20 ilevel upgrade for an alt, doesn't mean I think the opposite is the case. I believe they are roughly equal in importance, and therefore should have an equal priority in determining who gets it.

I consider the greeded gear a nice bonus - I still have to roll against three (or seven) other people to get it. So securing some gear beforehand by picking the job for it, is just careful planning.
You get the need option for the job you're on too - if thats not the job you want gear for, you're obviously playing the wrong job.

[Mholito]

And what stops you from using that Job to roll need? Seals can be used as an upgrade, so in a way they are still needing on an upgrade.

Sorry, but my need of seals and desynths is by far more important to me than a job you can't be bothered to use for said gear.

Gearing two jobs at the same time, alternating for each dungeon, for example? My need of gear for the job I'm not currently using is more important to me than your seals and/or desynth.