[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

[Mholito]

Why are so many people acting like removing the ability to need on gear to sell prevents them from getting gear to sell? The greed button will still exist, and it will still give you roughly one fourth of the gear that drops, if not more. All that really changes for those that want seals or desynth is what button they press.

How much gear do you think you'll lose out on because of people that want it to gear up their current job or for glamour? The most valuable drops come from ex roulette dungeons, and almost nobody runs those to gear up jobs.


Edit: Just because I don't think your 800 seals are worth more than my 20 ilevel upgrade for an alt, doesn't mean I think the opposite is the case. I believe they are roughly equal in importance, and therefore should have an equal priority in determining who gets it.

[Settiesama]

Why are so many people acting like removing the ability to need on gear to sell prevents them from getting gear to sell? The greed button will still exist, and it will still give you roughly one fourth of the gear that drops, if not more. All that really changes for those that want seals or desynth is what button they press.

How much gear do you think you'll lose out on because of people that want it to gear up their current job or for glamour? The most valuable drops come from ex roulette dungeons, and almost nobody runs those to gear up jobs.


Edit: Just because I don't think your 800 seals are worth more than my 20 ilevel upgrade for an alt, doesn't mean I think the opposite is the case. I believe they are roughly equal in importance, and therefore should have an equal priority in determining who gets it.

And what stops you from using that Job to roll need? Seals can be used as an upgrade, so in a way they are still needing on an upgrade.

Sorry, but my need of seals and desynths is by far more important to me than a job you can't be bothered to use for said gear.

[Mholito]

And what stops you from using that Job to roll need? Seals can be used as an upgrade, so in a way they are still needing on an upgrade.

Sorry, but my need of seals and desynths is by far more important to me than a job you can't be bothered to use for said gear.

Gearing two jobs at the same time, alternating for each dungeon, for example? My need of gear for the job I'm not currently using is more important to me than your seals and/or desynth.

[Settiesama]

Gearing two jobs at the same time, alternating for each dungeon, for example? My need of gear for the job I'm not currently using is more important to me than your seals and/or desynth.

Simple solution: Focus one job at a time. I'm sorry, but if I can be bothered to play a job for a specific type of gear I need to desynth, I am needing. The system ain't broken, it's people with mentality that they should have everything without putting in the effort/using what they lot for that is broken.

Edit: And again, why is dungeon gear, that is replaced in a week or two, or less, more important than our long term goals/gear?

[Zigabar]

Gearing two jobs at the same time, alternating for each dungeon, for example? My need of gear for the job I'm not currently using is more important to me than your seals and/or desynth.

Focus on the bold here. You are putting your need above someone else's. Think about it. That's no different than keeping the Need function as is.

Let me turn this around for you:

My need of gear for seals and/or desynth is more important to me than the job you're not currently using.

[Mholito]

Focus on the bold here. You are putting your need above someone else's. Think about it. That's no different than keeping the Need function as is.

The bolded part was added deliberately. It's the same thing Settisama said about her needs. We both have our own reasons for why we want the loot that drops, so why should one of those be prioritized over the other?

[Settiesama]

The bolded part was added deliberately. It's the same thing Settisama said about her needs. We both have our own reasons for why we want the loot that drops, so why should one of those be prioritized over the other?

Because I am ON the job I am NEEDING on. I am playing a job to get that specifically, therefore my NEED is greater than your 'need' for what you ain't bothering to play at the time. That's why it works for me, not for you.

[Vidu]

Edit: Just because I don't think your 800 seals are worth more than my 20 ilevel upgrade for an alt, doesn't mean I think the opposite is the case. I believe they are roughly equal in importance, and therefore should have an equal priority in determining who gets it.

I consider the greeded gear a nice bonus - I still have to roll against three (or seven) other people to get it. So securing some gear beforehand by picking the job for it, is just careful planning.
You get the need option for the job you're on too - if thats not the job you want gear for, you're obviously playing the wrong job.

[Mholito]

I consider the greeded gear a nice bonus - I still have to roll against three (or seven) other people to get it. So securing some gear beforehand by picking the job for it, is just careful planning.
You get the need option for the job you're on too - if thats not the job you want gear for, you're obviously playing the wrong job.

How do you plan for what randomly chose gear is gonna drop from whatever instance you do? If everyone rolled need on everything they could, you'd have a 1 in 7 chance (for amrour. 1 in 13 for weapons) to get a guaranteed piece of loot each time something dropped. If everyone greeded on everything that dropped, you'd have a 1 in 4 chance (or 1 in 8 if it's an 8-man party) to get any piece of gear that dropped. People are severely overestimating how much such a change is gonna affect their seal aquisition.

[Settiesama]

How do you plan for what randomly chose gear is gonna drop from whatever instance you do? If everyone rolled need on everything they could, you'd have a 1 in 7 chance (for amrour. 1 in 13 for weapons) to get a guaranteed piece of loot each time something dropped. If everyone greeded on everything that dropped, you'd have a 1 in 4 chance (or 1 in 8 if it's an 8-man party) to get any piece of gear that dropped. People are severely overestimating how much such a change is gonna affect their seal aquisition.

Are you seriously just gonna repeat what this thread has already been through? Have you even read more than the first page? If nothing drops for our job, cool, no biggie, can run again. If something drops for our job, and we still can't get anything because our lots are low, this is pushing it. We have more a chance of getting stuff by being able to need what may drop, than by having to greed everything.

Edit: Oh, and don't forget tanks and healers, why would they need to be tanking and healing when they have the same chance of their gear on other jobs? Everyone role dps!