[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

[Ryel]

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

I am really sorry, but seeing that you have no valid point (or even an attempt to make one) against my reasoning, I can only see these comments as irrelevant to the matter I am suggesting :

Well actually my point does refute your reasoning you just don't actually want to hear it however if you need it more clearly spelled out for you I can elaborate.

As a main tank there is little to no incentive for me to run almost anything in the Duty Finder as it is seeing as the "adventurer in need" bonus is so insignificant it might as well not be there. In reality the case is that 9 out of 10 times if I actually need a dungeon for any reason (Ex roulette, Relic, WT) I can easily go solo, with people from my FC, my friends, or anyone from various Linkshells instead of actually using the Duty Finder if I really wanted to.

In the case that I need company seals however the DF is a viable option as I can go in as a tank and lot uncontested on tank gear which I can then turn into seals to be used for any number of things related to progression (crafting / relic). If i'm leveling a DPS and I need gear for that specific job then I queue as the job and roll the dice on the lots regardless of whether my competition needs it for seals, stats, or glamour.

The game itself has determined that the needs between classes are not the same given the ratio of DPS to Healer and Tank queues, you can ask anyone that has spent more than 5 minutes as a DPS class about this.

Why exactly are the needs of a NIN/DRG/MNK/MCH/BRD/BLM/SMN who doesn't want or is unable to tank or heal the same content equal when it comes to the same piece of equipment to a person actually performing those roles?

If anything why should that healer or tank now even bother doing anything in the Duty Finder as that role with random players if they don't even get to use the gear that drops for whatever form of progression they choose?

I can solo the majority of ARR dungeons as a tank already, why would I even bother using the DF as a tank for anything under Dusk Vigil if at this point it's now charity work because the game has decided that everyone has equal dibs on all roles gear even if they aren't going to play the role?

If you want a specific piece of gear for a specific job then by all means feel free to level (and play) that job in the content that drops it. Otherwise the freedom to enter the content as whatever you wish is the tradeoff you pay when it comes to lotting gear.

[Kyuuen]

Enough with this.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:



Either you can (and I would like to see it), or you cannot.

Simply stating that you don't like it is not something to be taken seriously

Stating your opinion as a measurable fact does not equal fact. It's an opinion. You believe that the system is in need of change, others do not believe so.

OT

It's a terrible idea. If you want a particular piece of gear then learn that/those class/es and put forth the effort.

[dragonkyn20]

Yeah, no. You don't get to dictate rules when you willingly sign up for a Duty Finder party. Loot goes to whoever's the luckiest, that's how it always goes. If you want guaranteed drops, either ask for the loot nicely or (if that doesn't work) go premade with some friends who are willing to run the content with you. My needs are just as valid as yours and unless you ask, I will keep rolling.

[Settiesama]

Recent raid gear can not be turned into seals, for your little reason at the end of the OP. This is because it's gear that will last quite a long time. Some Dun Scaith can even be BiS beating 270 at this time depending on what item it is.

Dungeon gear is very quickly replaced, while seals and desynths have real long term effects. Why is something replaceable in under a week better than a long term goal/item?

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Ok here is a list of UPGRADES people need not GLAMOUR

Pnuemite - Anima step
Coke - If using to make the sands for Anima @9 per synth
Animal Fat - If using to make the sands for Anima @9 per synth
Aqueous whetstone - If using to make the sands for Anima @9 per synth
Kingcake x4 Anima step
Titanium Alloy Mirror x4 Anima Step
Adamantite Francesca x4 Anima Step
Dispelling Arrow x4 Anima Step
Moonstones - If using these for sand for the Anima
Probably missed some.

You will also be hurting new players too who will struggle to get the items needed for lucis tools outside of the MB, gear up to ilvl 100, Ventures, Keepers Hymn, Survival manuals, barding and even them having access to a chocobo lol.

Make any of these harder to get and see the prices increase tenfold on the market board.

Also spiritbond potions will be an added expense via seals or marketboard this item would also skyrocket. HW gear also seems to take a lot longer to spiritbond compared to ARR gear.

Then we have items from desynth every recipe on the market board that contains these items will increase in value, again making it harder for new people to gear up.

Could go on with other items but I think I have made my point.

[Cordie]

No. Worst idea ever. My need for GC seals & desynth levels is just as great as someone's ilvl. You don't get to decide what other's needs are based on your ideals.

Likewise, my need for GC seals and glamours is just as great as yours and you don't get to decide what other's needs are based on your ideals.
My suggestion does not affect this, and I certainly fail to see where the heck I listed my or your ideals as a reason for the suggestion.

And then lose out everything to someone not playing the class (Who is probably rolling need on his anyway for same reason)? If I do win, I then have to weaken myself to soul bind it? getting others angry for using such low stuff? Yeah, brilliant idea.

Oh, and again, why is someones need of a gear that is used for a very BRIEF time worth more than our seals for something that lasts us a LONG time?

If you roll need and no-one else is playing the class you will get the item. You don't have to equip it immediately, and you shouldn't if it's a downgrade!

It's by no means "a very brief time" : see glamours. This case is also a bonus of making the item staying permanently in your inventory - accidentally selling/discarding/trading-in and having to go find another one, roll and win it again is such a pain.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I can easily go solo, with people from my FC, my friends, or anyone from various Linkshells instead of actually using the Duty Finder if I really wanted to.
I can solo the majority of ARR dungeons as a tank already, why would I even bother using the DF as a tank for anything under Dusk Vigil if at this point it's now charity work because the game has decided that everyone has equal dibs on all roles gear even if they aren't going to play the role?

Actually Ryel with his idea you wouldn't even be able to do that, as all that gear you grabbed would have to be spiritbound apart from gear you could greed on :P

You don't have to equip it immediately, and you shouldn't if it's a downgrade!

Hmmm yes they would as they would need to spiritbond it. Did you even read your own idea?

[Settiesama]

Likewise, my need for GC seals and glamours is just as great as yours and you don't get to decide what other's needs are based on your ideals.
My suggestion does not affect this, and I certainly fail to see where the heck I listed my or your ideals as a reason for the suggestion.



If you roll need and no-one else is playing the class you will get the item. You don't have to equip it immediately, and you shouldn't if it's a downgrade! .

But under your rules, you WOULD have to equip it at some point. Therefore is a major punishment. You simply can't be reasoned with can you? You seriously can't see how your idea would actually cause the death of the game, instead of aiding people.

[Youkulm]

Likewise, my need for GC seals and glamours is just as great as yours and you don't get to decide what other's needs are based on your ideals.
My suggestion does not affect this, and I certainly fail to see where the heck I listed my or your ideals as a reason for the suggestion..

Yes it does. Did you not read your own suggestion? I wont be able to turn it in for Seals unless its spiritbonded.

Again -- Worst idea ever.

Guys, pretty sure this dude is a troll.

[bardaboo]

Let's just ignore him. Maybe he'll go away