[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

[Arutan]

Sounds like a derivative way to cry over a loot we missed by an outroll of 1-2 and that we wanted for a long time.

[Ailis]

It's really just punishing people that want to get seals, which is REALLY bad considering there's multiple things you can only get with GC seals and they're quite in demand either for crafting or relic/etc.
There's multiple ways to get gear in this game and if dungeon gear was really that important, then it wouldn't be available for GC delivery in the first place. I think it's just overcomplicating things and it's not necessary since there's no cap on dungeon loot.

[Kosmos992k]

Enough with this.

Just playing your game by your rules.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:

The use of gear loot for the class/job a player is playing is either:

• equipping it, or
• using it for glamour

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

See the problem here is that you are explicitly excluding valid uses of gear by framing those uses with a definition of your own - because it suits your reasoning. Expert Delivery, Desynthesis, selling, and using on a retainer (you missed that one), or even gifting to others (another you missed) are all valid uses of gear I as a tank obtain as a tank even though my current gear is higher ilvl.

You are pushing an idea that specifically and clearly would punish me for playing tank in a dungeon in Duty Finder by limiting my access to roll for gear because I'm a higher level tank with higher ilvl gear. That's plain wrong and unfair and if implemented would definitely impact the number of players willing to run things through DF.

But now the thing is, the uses you dismiss, are real and valid uses for gear obtained while working through a dungeon.

A very dear friend of mine once farmed the Sentinel set for me as a gift. Your proposal would make that far harder, how is that fair? The same goes for using the gear on a retainer. Why should that not be a valid use? Desynthesis and GC Seals exchange are fair use of something I have obtained through my efforts in a dungeon, who are you to say otherwise?

Your entire challenge about reasoning is based on the assumption that your own self serving definition of what is a valid use of gear excludes these others uses is correct and valid.

Your idea is bad. Your reasoning is dependent on a flawed assumption and faulty reasoning, and ignores the very real negative impact of the proposed idea.

[Wolf_Gang]

What SE really needs to do is rename the "Need" button so nubs stop taking it so damn literal.

[Cordie]

Oh that's how we play the game alright... Where's the suggestion? Guess it wasn't valid enough

First page, 1st post. Go have a look.

TL;DR: Please punish those who need seals, desynths etc. So that I may gear up a job I'm not gonna use.

Why should everyone be punished like this? Clearly you do not understand just what seals and all can be used for, and wanna know what that is? Something that can be used for equipping/Glamour in the long run! So in a way, you ARE still needing for what you said. So yes, have your bloody answer to that section.

You are not being punished, feel free to roll "Greed" as you currently do. Nothing changes there.
2 relics and counting. Yes, tell me what seals are used for.
There are more and better ways to farm seals, too.
/facepalm

Haha sorry, no. No matter how much we may not like it at times (I've been guilty of this in the past, I should know) someone not liking something IS a perfectly valid reason for them to not want it put in the game, and people have provided reasons beyond not liking it that your suggestion SHOULDN'T be put in effect.

Some of us happen to be adults, or at least somewhat reasonable. Where there is a clear reason a change should be considered, insisting on not doing so because you "don't like it" is not enough. I could be sitting here and saying "I don't like the current loot system" and ask for random changes giving no valid reasons why, and that would (as it should) have no effect on any changes in the loot system. You are doing the very much same thing.

[bardaboo]

So... you were mocked and proved wrong in the other thread you decided to start a new one with an even worse suggestion??? Maybe you should spend more time playing.
But not with me.
please
awful.

[Youkulm]

Snip

No. Worst idea ever. My need for GC seals & desynth levels is just as great as someone's ilvl. You don't get to decide what other's needs are based on your ideals.

[Settiesama]

You are not being punished, feel free to roll "Greed" as you currently do. Nothing changes there.
2 relics and counting. Yes, tell me what seals are used for.
/facepalm

And then lose out everything to someone not playing the class (Who is probably rolling need on his anyway for same reason)? If I do win, I then have to weaken myself to soul bind it? getting others angry for using such low stuff? Yeah, brilliant idea.

Oh, and again, why is someones need of a gear that is used for a very BRIEF time worth more than our seals for something that lasts us a LONG time?

[BigRed5392]

no, please stop asking for a basic function to be more complex then needed.

if you want the loot for gear/glamour/anything

go as that job or go with friends in a pre-made group, or ask to have that gear.

as i stated my g/f saying:
ff11 had a free-for-all loot system. What ff14 has is better.

to add: this suggestion also punishes free companies just starting out. You need to rank up a free company to do much of anything, and 1 of the faster ways to get ranks/fc points is gear trade ins to grand companies. my g/f worked her butt off as a tank to help out runs, and get tank loot to trade in to rank up her fc. took her nearly a mnth to hit rank 6 to buy a fc house. Now she is saving her tank gil, to buy us a house. (goblin got tons of housing btw)

this suggestion if in game would have punished her, as our fc is just 3 people and she is the only 1 on everyday.


loosing a roll happens, get over it.

my g/f says: in ff11 she lost a drop from a 78 hour pop hnm, used in a quest for a then must have monk belt. the item has a low drop rate and claiming these things was hectic. She would have gotten the drop if people rolled faster and her family didn't stupidly unplug the internet for a reset. She was lucky to have a buddy in a hunt LS willing to throw her some help. She got over it though. Much like everyone else.

[ErryK]

Let's make the game even more complicated than it is to prevent people having fun!