[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

[Cordie]

Thank you for your feedback, but none of your objections invalidates my point:

The use of gear loot for the class/job a player is playing is either:

• equipping it, or
• using it for glamour

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

Simply repeating yourselves does not make your objections any more valid.

Please stay on topic.

[EusisLandale]

Simply repeating yourselves does not make your objections any more valid.

Repeating yourself doesn't make your claims valid either. Demimateria for crafted gear, desynthesis is a valid reason to need. GC Seals to progress various stages Anima development, GC deliveries are a valid reason to need. Buying up materia on the market to improve gear, materials to craft gear, selling for gil is a valid reason to need.

[Kosmos992k]

Simply repeating yourselves does not make your objections any more valid.

Simply repeating yourself does not make your suggestion any more valid.

I am really sorry, but seeing that you have no valid point (or even an attempt to make one) against my reasoning, I can only see these comments as irrelevant to the matter I am suggesting :

Using bold to emphasize only works when it's used like salt to season, not as a blanket.

I've answered your suggestion with reasoning in another thread, your idea was just as bad there as it is here. I'll quote it here - again - one more time since you missed it.

Just came up with another idea, if you want the same biased system.

• In the case you want to preserve newbies' priority on loot for gearing, there is a very simple solution:
  
  1. Flag all gear loot acquired by rolling "Need" as unsellable, non-discardable, ineligible for GC turn‑ins, and ineligible for desynthesis.
  2. Remove the flags when they reach 100% spiritbond.
• If it's not the case, you are not only in favour of a skewed system but you are actively trying to piggyback the newbie-priority case for your "I picked a job - give me my trophy" over-entitlement.

This is a terrible idea. The fundamental point remains, if a player plays their role in a dungeon there is no reason that you can give that is fair that alters that player's right to have the same access to loot rolls as everyone else in the dungeon. What you are asking for is in effect penalizing some veterans for being veterans. I think that would result in a reduction in people running DF content.

...and once again....this.

Please ignore this suggestion.

[Cordie]

Simply repeating yourself does not make your suggestion any more valid.

Enough with this.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:

The use of gear loot for the class/job a player is playing is either:

• equipping it, or
• using it for glamour

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

Either you can (and I would like to see it), or you cannot.

Simply stating that you don't like it is not something to be taken seriously

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Enough with this.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:



Either you can (and I would like to see it), or you cannot.

Simply stating that you don't like it is not something to be taken seriously

Haha sorry, no. No matter how much we may not like it at times (I've been guilty of this in the past, I should know) someone not liking something IS a perfectly valid reason for them to not want it put in the game, and people have provided reasons beyond not liking it that your suggestion SHOULDN'T be put in effect.

[Cordie]

Oh that's how we play the game alright... Where's the suggestion? Guess it wasn't valid enough

First page, 1st post. Go have a look.

TL;DR: Please punish those who need seals, desynths etc. So that I may gear up a job I'm not gonna use.

Why should everyone be punished like this? Clearly you do not understand just what seals and all can be used for, and wanna know what that is? Something that can be used for equipping/Glamour in the long run! So in a way, you ARE still needing for what you said. So yes, have your bloody answer to that section.

You are not being punished, feel free to roll "Greed" as you currently do. Nothing changes there.
2 relics and counting. Yes, tell me what seals are used for.
There are more and better ways to farm seals, too.
/facepalm

Haha sorry, no. No matter how much we may not like it at times (I've been guilty of this in the past, I should know) someone not liking something IS a perfectly valid reason for them to not want it put in the game, and people have provided reasons beyond not liking it that your suggestion SHOULDN'T be put in effect.

Some of us happen to be adults, or at least somewhat reasonable. Where there is a clear reason a change should be considered, insisting on not doing so because you "don't like it" is not enough. I could be sitting here and saying "I don't like the current loot system" and ask for random changes giving no valid reasons why, and that would (as it should) have no effect on any changes in the loot system. You are doing the very much same thing.

[Settiesama]

You are not being punished, feel free to roll "Greed" as you currently do. Nothing changes there.
2 relics and counting. Yes, tell me what seals are used for.
/facepalm

And then lose out everything to someone not playing the class (Who is probably rolling need on his anyway for same reason)? If I do win, I then have to weaken myself to soul bind it? getting others angry for using such low stuff? Yeah, brilliant idea.

Oh, and again, why is someones need of a gear that is used for a very BRIEF time worth more than our seals for something that lasts us a LONG time?

[Cordie]

No. Worst idea ever. My need for GC seals & desynth levels is just as great as someone's ilvl. You don't get to decide what other's needs are based on your ideals.

Likewise, my need for GC seals and glamours is just as great as yours and you don't get to decide what other's needs are based on your ideals.
My suggestion does not affect this, and I certainly fail to see where the heck I listed my or your ideals as a reason for the suggestion.

And then lose out everything to someone not playing the class (Who is probably rolling need on his anyway for same reason)? If I do win, I then have to weaken myself to soul bind it? getting others angry for using such low stuff? Yeah, brilliant idea.

Oh, and again, why is someones need of a gear that is used for a very BRIEF time worth more than our seals for something that lasts us a LONG time?

If you roll need and no-one else is playing the class you will get the item. You don't have to equip it immediately, and you shouldn't if it's a downgrade!

It's by no means "a very brief time" : see glamours. This case is also a bonus of making the item staying permanently in your inventory - accidentally selling/discarding/trading-in and having to go find another one, roll and win it again is such a pain.

[Kosmos992k]

Enough with this.

Just playing your game by your rules.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:

The use of gear loot for the class/job a player is playing is either:

• equipping it, or
• using it for glamour

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

See the problem here is that you are explicitly excluding valid uses of gear by framing those uses with a definition of your own - because it suits your reasoning. Expert Delivery, Desynthesis, selling, and using on a retainer (you missed that one), or even gifting to others (another you missed) are all valid uses of gear I as a tank obtain as a tank even though my current gear is higher ilvl.

You are pushing an idea that specifically and clearly would punish me for playing tank in a dungeon in Duty Finder by limiting my access to roll for gear because I'm a higher level tank with higher ilvl gear. That's plain wrong and unfair and if implemented would definitely impact the number of players willing to run things through DF.

But now the thing is, the uses you dismiss, are real and valid uses for gear obtained while working through a dungeon.

A very dear friend of mine once farmed the Sentinel set for me as a gift. Your proposal would make that far harder, how is that fair? The same goes for using the gear on a retainer. Why should that not be a valid use? Desynthesis and GC Seals exchange are fair use of something I have obtained through my efforts in a dungeon, who are you to say otherwise?

Your entire challenge about reasoning is based on the assumption that your own self serving definition of what is a valid use of gear excludes these others uses is correct and valid.

Your idea is bad. Your reasoning is dependent on a flawed assumption and faulty reasoning, and ignores the very real negative impact of the proposed idea.

[Kyuuen]

Enough with this.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:



Either you can (and I would like to see it), or you cannot.

Simply stating that you don't like it is not something to be taken seriously

Stating your opinion as a measurable fact does not equal fact. It's an opinion. You believe that the system is in need of change, others do not believe so.

OT

It's a terrible idea. If you want a particular piece of gear then learn that/those class/es and put forth the effort.