[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

[Settiesama]

The need button should still only be available for the appropriate class/job. You want a particular drop for glamour? Run with a job that can equip it, and you're guaranteed to get it if it drops, unles there is someone else in the party that is also there for that particular item. Want gear for two jobs at the same time? Run as one of them, and you're practically guaranteed to get all gear for the job you run, and have a 1/4 chance to get gear for the other if it drops. Want seals? Greed on everything, and you'll get about a fourth of the loot that drops.

Why are my seals AND DESYNTHS less important than gear you'll replace in a few days or glamour on a job you can't be bothered to play?

Read the entire thread before you spit out what has already been debated.

I don't understand the logic of pushing for a system that punishes tanks and healers for using duty finder.

Lol, reached post limit. They have literally only come up with one reason for this push, one reason, no matter how different they have worded it, it's still a sole reason: They think looting for gear on a job they won't/don't want to play as for said gear is more important than a person playing said job needing gear for progress other than ilvl/glamour.

Seals < ilevel increase for job being played currently
Seals = ilevel increase for job not being played currently
Glamour for job being played currently = ilevel increase for job being played currently

You seem to keep missing out Desynths for some odd reason, is this because you can't defend your case against it? Joining as a job to specifically need a certain type of gear?

You STILL have not answered how your short term ilvl increase for a job you won't even use for the gear is more important than/equal to our long term goal/gear from Seals and Desynths

[mylam]

There is loosing a roll due to luck of the draw. Then there is loosing a roll due to someone who doesn't give a rat's behind about that particular item deciding that the 800 seals they could get from it is important enough to completely remove your chance of getting a 30 ilevel increase for one of the other jobs you're leveling at the same time.

Edit: Just because I don't think your 800 seals are worth more than my 20 ilevel upgrade for an alt, doesn't mean I think the opposite is the case. I believe they are roughly equal in importance, and therefore should have an equal priority in determining who gets it.

Lol wut? Your first post basically stated that you thought the value of seals =/= 20ilevel increase. But then all the sudden you think they are equal priority... Ok?

It seems we will not be able to find an agreement in this matter. I am in support of this system because it would reserve the need button only for those that want that particular item, as opposed to those that only want it for its numeric value.

So what exactly is your point then....?

The need button should still only be available for the appropriate class/job. You want a particular drop for glamour? Run with a job that can equip it, and you're guaranteed to get it if it drops, unles there is someone else in the party that is also there for that particular item. Want gear for two jobs at the same time? Run as one of them, and you're practically guaranteed to get all gear for the job you run, and have a 1/4 chance to get gear for the other if it drops. Want seals? Greed on everything, and you'll get about a fourth of the loot that drops.

Oh I get it... you're back to the beginning where you think seals < ilevel increase.

So let me get this straight then, you want people to click greed if they want them for seals simply because someone else may happen to need it for ilevel increase, but in all other examples you will allow for Need rolls?

I'm amazed at your inability to realize that in all your posts, everything is a complete contradiction.

[Rokke]

A dragoon is not and should not be equally deserving of healer gear as the WHM thats actually running the dungeon. It doesn't matter what the WHM intends to do with the gear, they queued as the class, they get first dibs. If they dont want it, everyone else has a chance to win it. The system is fair, it doesn't need to be tinkered with.

Queue times are already going to be shit come 4.0 launch. I don't understand the logic of pushing for a system that punishes tanks and healers for using duty finder.

Lol, reached post limit. They have literally only come up with one reason for this push, one reason, no matter how different they have worded it, it's still a sole reason: They think looting for gear on a job they won't/don't want to play as for said gear is more important than a person playing said job needing gear for progress other than ilvl/glamour.

The wild thing is, if they actually ran as those lesser played rolls they (apparently) want gear for so so so sososos so badly, they'd be actively helping the game solve the "wait 15+ min for a tank that bails when the blue gate drops" problem we have.

[Kosmos992k]

A dragoon is not and should not be equally deserving of healer gear as the WHM thats actually running the dungeon. It doesn't matter what the WHM intends to do with the gear, they queued as the class, they get first dibs. If they dont want it, everyone else has a chance to win it. The system is fair, it doesn't need to be tinkered with.

Queue times are already going to be shit come 4.0 launch. I don't understand the logic of pushing for a system that punishes tanks and healers for using duty finder.



The wild thing is, if they actually ran as those lesser played rolls they (apparently) want gear for so so so sososos so badly, they'd be actively helping the game solve the "wait 15+ min for a tank that bails when the blue gate drops" problem we have.

perhaps the proponents of the OPs concept have missed the reasons for tank mounts and Adventurer in Need bonuses? The changes they appear to want would negate those incentive to an extent, which appears to me to be extremely counter productive.

[Train88]

Selfish at best.

[Mholito]

Lol wut? Your first post basically stated that you thought the value of seals =/= 20ilevel increase. But then all the sudden you think they are equal priority... Ok?



So what exactly is your point then....?



Oh I get it... you're back to the beginning where you think seals < ilevel increase.

So let me get this straight then, you want people to click greed if they want them for seals simply because someone else may happen to need it for ilevel increase, but in all other examples you will allow for Need rolls?

I'm amazed at your inability to realize that in all your posts, everything is a complete contradiction.

I never once said gear for classes not being played currently is worth less than an ilevel increase. Let me make it simple for you:

Seals < ilevel increase for job being played currently
Seals = ilevel increase for job not being played currently
Glamour for job being played currently = ilevel increase for job being played currently

[LuckiGoLucki]

I never once said gear for classes not being played currently is worth less than an ilevel increase. Let me make it simple for you:

Seals < ilevel increase for job being played currently
Seals = ilevel increase for job not being played currently
Glamour for job being played currently = ilevel increase for job being played currently

And once again: You do not get to decide what is < or =