[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

[Ogulbuk]

There is loosing a roll due to luck of the draw. Then there is loosing a roll due to someone who doesn't give a rat's behind about that particular item deciding that the 800 seals they could get from it is important enough to completely remove your chance of getting a 30 ilevel increase for one of the other jobs you're leveling at the same time.

I'm so thorn... why are you not running that other job in that hypothetical run? You could be rolling need on that job. Being able to gear up another job with your current one is a perk, not supposed to be the mean way of getting it. IF Square considered this to be a valid principal way of progressing another job, then the solution is not to limit the use of Need, but expand it for any one that has an Other Job that can equip that item AND is in level range of that item.

Example:
lvl 53 DRG chest drops, your DRG secondary job is 54, you get to roll Need.
lvl 53 DRG chest drops, your DRG secondary job is 50, you don't get to roll Need.
lvl 53 DRG chest drops, your DRG secondary job is 58, you don't get to roll Need.

PS: the GC seals work towards my Anima weapon progression, and I'm also wasting time on that run that I am doing ONLY for anima weapon progression, because THAT is what I want those Lores for, you bet I'm going to run Need!

[ffchampion]

There is loosing a roll due to luck of the draw. Then there is loosing a roll due to someone who doesn't give a rat's behind about that particular item deciding that the 800 seals they could get from it is important enough to completely remove your chance of getting a 30 ilevel increase for one of the other jobs you're leveling at the same time.

want gear for that other job you are leveling? then play as that job! that way you can need on the gear. As someone who's second class is a tank i understand i don't the gear often and i'm fine with that as my main is DPS Nin. if i see that need button i need it. the only time i ever even greed is for my WAR or for WVR desynth. if it isn't 1 of those 3 things then i pass on it

[Vidu]

There is loosing a roll due to luck of the draw. Then there is loosing a roll due to someone who doesn't give a rat's behind about that particular item deciding that the 800 seals they could get from it is important enough to completely remove your chance of getting a 30 ilevel increase for one of the other jobs you're leveling at the same time.

So... YOU get to work on two jobs at the same time and multitask, but I dont get to work on my one job because I'm rolling need on an item that I'll turn into GC-seals, that go towards my relic?
Or you got to work on two jobs more easly and comfortable (really, we've discussed this: there are other and better means to gear up a class beside dungeon drops) by not letting me role "need" on items that drop for my class that I need for other purposes? Want gear for a specific class? PLAY that class!

[Kosmos992k]

There is loosing a roll due to luck of the draw. Then there is loosing a roll due to someone who doesn't give a rat's behind about that particular item deciding that the 800 seals they could get from it is important enough to completely remove your chance of getting a 30 ilevel increase for one of the other jobs you're leveling at the same time.

Who died and made you one of the Twelve? Why do you get to decide whether my need is less important than yours?

Suddenly I'm struck by how it feels like some are mining a vein of pure entitlement in this thread.

[dragonkyn20]

Yeah, no. You don't get to dictate rules when you willingly sign up for a Duty Finder party. Loot goes to whoever's the luckiest, that's how it always goes. If you want guaranteed drops, either ask for the loot nicely or (if that doesn't work) go premade with some friends who are willing to run the content with you. My needs are just as valid as yours and unless you ask, I will keep rolling.

[Settiesama]

Recent raid gear can not be turned into seals, for your little reason at the end of the OP. This is because it's gear that will last quite a long time. Some Dun Scaith can even be BiS beating 270 at this time depending on what item it is.

Dungeon gear is very quickly replaced, while seals and desynths have real long term effects. Why is something replaceable in under a week better than a long term goal/item?

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Ok here is a list of UPGRADES people need not GLAMOUR

Pnuemite - Anima step
Coke - If using to make the sands for Anima @9 per synth
Animal Fat - If using to make the sands for Anima @9 per synth
Aqueous whetstone - If using to make the sands for Anima @9 per synth
Kingcake x4 Anima step
Titanium Alloy Mirror x4 Anima Step
Adamantite Francesca x4 Anima Step
Dispelling Arrow x4 Anima Step
Moonstones - If using these for sand for the Anima
Probably missed some.

You will also be hurting new players too who will struggle to get the items needed for lucis tools outside of the MB, gear up to ilvl 100, Ventures, Keepers Hymn, Survival manuals, barding and even them having access to a chocobo lol.

Make any of these harder to get and see the prices increase tenfold on the market board.

Also spiritbond potions will be an added expense via seals or marketboard this item would also skyrocket. HW gear also seems to take a lot longer to spiritbond compared to ARR gear.

Then we have items from desynth every recipe on the market board that contains these items will increase in value, again making it harder for new people to gear up.

Could go on with other items but I think I have made my point.

[bardaboo]

Let's just ignore him. Maybe he'll go away

[Youkulm]

Let's just ignore him. Maybe he'll go away

Hydaelyn willing. Let's pray.

[Vidu]

You aware that you dont want to change the loot-system, Cordie, but only make it more annoying and difficult to use gear for any other purpose but wearing it (may it be for glamour or stats)?

The system you're proposing isnt helping anyone nor is it needed - specially when its obvious that the game intends you to use dungeon gear for other purposes outside of wearing it. With your horrible, horrible idea non-crafters basically dont have a chance to get GC-seals, yet they are crucial to progress within the game - may it be relic, contribution to FC-crafts (like getting material for the airships etc.) or your squadron. And for crafters seals are actually that high in demand that "needing" them is totally valid (but ofc, you cant know that since you're not really a crafter...)

Basically your system isnt benefitting anyone but is screwing a lot of people for no good reason.

Specially when there is a very good system in place to solve the issue: Talk to your teammates and ASK if you can get specific pieces. Sometimes you'll be lucky, sometimes you wont - reminds me about something... mmh... its almost like... rolling a dice on a piece of gear that dropped...

The only thing I've seen is "but I need seals and desynths". This is not something they can only do while in a job/class that can roll "need". Where's the refutation? It's nowhere to be seen.

Yes and its a good reason - one that you cant understand when you dont craft. And while its not something that I can ONLY do with the class that can roll need on an item, by choosing a class that correspond well with my desynth-classes I can influence it quite heavly. For example my desynth classes are weaver, ltw and goldsmith - so my best bet is running dungeons as ranged or caster because those classes can roll need on leather and cloth gear.

I dont understand why you're so tied up on the idea that you'd only be allowed to use the piece of gear you got on the class you got it for. I need it. Period. For what reason I need it, is non of your or anyones buisness when the game is designed around needing those dungeon-drops for a lot of things outside of simple gear-progression.