[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

[Serilda]

Let's make the game even more complicated than it is to prevent people having fun! This was a bad idea when it was suggested in the existing thread which is still on the first page of General, and it's still a bad idea. Sorry.

For the dozenth time, if people want a particular drop they can just ask their allies to help out.

[Cordie]

Thank you for your feedback, but none of your objections invalidates my point:

The use of gear loot for the class/job a player is playing is either:

• equipping it, or
• using it for glamour

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

Simply repeating yourselves does not make your objections any more valid.

Please stay on topic.

[EusisLandale]

Simply repeating yourselves does not make your objections any more valid.

Repeating yourself doesn't make your claims valid either. Demimateria for crafted gear, desynthesis is a valid reason to need. GC Seals to progress various stages Anima development, GC deliveries are a valid reason to need. Buying up materia on the market to improve gear, materials to craft gear, selling for gil is a valid reason to need.

[Kosmos992k]

Simply repeating yourselves does not make your objections any more valid.

Simply repeating yourself does not make your suggestion any more valid.

I am really sorry, but seeing that you have no valid point (or even an attempt to make one) against my reasoning, I can only see these comments as irrelevant to the matter I am suggesting :

Using bold to emphasize only works when it's used like salt to season, not as a blanket.

I've answered your suggestion with reasoning in another thread, your idea was just as bad there as it is here. I'll quote it here - again - one more time since you missed it.

Just came up with another idea, if you want the same biased system.

• In the case you want to preserve newbies' priority on loot for gearing, there is a very simple solution:
  
  1. Flag all gear loot acquired by rolling "Need" as unsellable, non-discardable, ineligible for GC turn‑ins, and ineligible for desynthesis.
  2. Remove the flags when they reach 100% spiritbond.
• If it's not the case, you are not only in favour of a skewed system but you are actively trying to piggyback the newbie-priority case for your "I picked a job - give me my trophy" over-entitlement.

This is a terrible idea. The fundamental point remains, if a player plays their role in a dungeon there is no reason that you can give that is fair that alters that player's right to have the same access to loot rolls as everyone else in the dungeon. What you are asking for is in effect penalizing some veterans for being veterans. I think that would result in a reduction in people running DF content.

...and once again....this.

Please ignore this suggestion.

[Cordie]

Simply repeating yourself does not make your suggestion any more valid.

Enough with this.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:

The use of gear loot for the class/job a player is playing is either:

• equipping it, or
• using it for glamour

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

Either you can (and I would like to see it), or you cannot.

Simply stating that you don't like it is not something to be taken seriously

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Enough with this.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:



Either you can (and I would like to see it), or you cannot.

Simply stating that you don't like it is not something to be taken seriously

Haha sorry, no. No matter how much we may not like it at times (I've been guilty of this in the past, I should know) someone not liking something IS a perfectly valid reason for them to not want it put in the game, and people have provided reasons beyond not liking it that your suggestion SHOULDN'T be put in effect.

[Kosmos992k]

Enough with this.

Just playing your game by your rules.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:

The use of gear loot for the class/job a player is playing is either:

• equipping it, or
• using it for glamour

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

See the problem here is that you are explicitly excluding valid uses of gear by framing those uses with a definition of your own - because it suits your reasoning. Expert Delivery, Desynthesis, selling, and using on a retainer (you missed that one), or even gifting to others (another you missed) are all valid uses of gear I as a tank obtain as a tank even though my current gear is higher ilvl.

You are pushing an idea that specifically and clearly would punish me for playing tank in a dungeon in Duty Finder by limiting my access to roll for gear because I'm a higher level tank with higher ilvl gear. That's plain wrong and unfair and if implemented would definitely impact the number of players willing to run things through DF.

But now the thing is, the uses you dismiss, are real and valid uses for gear obtained while working through a dungeon.

A very dear friend of mine once farmed the Sentinel set for me as a gift. Your proposal would make that far harder, how is that fair? The same goes for using the gear on a retainer. Why should that not be a valid use? Desynthesis and GC Seals exchange are fair use of something I have obtained through my efforts in a dungeon, who are you to say otherwise?

Your entire challenge about reasoning is based on the assumption that your own self serving definition of what is a valid use of gear excludes these others uses is correct and valid.

Your idea is bad. Your reasoning is dependent on a flawed assumption and faulty reasoning, and ignores the very real negative impact of the proposed idea.

[Kyuuen]

Enough with this.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:



Either you can (and I would like to see it), or you cannot.

Simply stating that you don't like it is not something to be taken seriously

Stating your opinion as a measurable fact does not equal fact. It's an opinion. You believe that the system is in need of change, others do not believe so.

OT

It's a terrible idea. If you want a particular piece of gear then learn that/those class/es and put forth the effort.

[Altena]

Simply repeating yourselves does not make your objections any more valid.

I seriously wish you would take your own advice on this one.. You have far more people that disagree with you than those that agree. No matter how many times you repeat your "arguments" and fail to see simple logic.

[ErryK]

Let's make the game even more complicated than it is to prevent people having fun!