4.0 tank buff ability changes, please don't do this

[ChloeGrace]

Except for the fact that PLD will lose foresight and rampart, and gain whatever they are replaced with. Net loss of one cooldown.

[Lyth]

There was no mention of Foresight in that live letter translation, outside of speculation.

We can't really analyse the impact of the Rampart change without seeing how all of the defensive cooldowns get changed, so there's no point worrying about it.

[Ran1880]

I would be upset if there are no changes to awareness/cover/Foresight/pld still not being able to block magic damage.And I do agree atleast give us the chance to choose between phy/magic cds.The few times when Foresight was useful was t13 earth shaker.Also awareness is something that is almost underwhelming and tasteless besides Shiva bow crit back in the days.Along with Tempered Will that is just there and also has almost zero use in raids exept a6 and t8 mines.It is clear hat the content is designed against the pld.Right now warrior is the most op of the tanks,it was my main till I switched to astro.I hope SE rly fixes pld with SB then I would go back tanking again.

[N8Dawgg]

Make Shelltron block magic attacks!

[ADVSS]

i might be defeating myself but foresight as a cross role skill, over ranpart? They may not its sort of a waste, a filler cd anyway sure its mediocre combined with other cds but not really great as a cross class imo. I sorta use it with maybe convalesence or dark dance or something in conjunction but really..I wouldnt expect it to make the cut. Most likely would see its removal altogether in favor if rampart.....I wish we had more examples and details though, cause just the shadowskin/rampart thing is getting old. need more info.

[Genis94]

This isn't homogenization. Its moving a common must have cooldown from the individual job skill list to the role skill list.

Merging Rampart/Shadowskin/Foresight into one role skill frees up 1 ability and 1 trait slot for all 3 jobs which can have actual unique distinct abilities in those slots.
Shifting Provoke and Convalescence to the role skill list opens up 1 trait and 2 more ability slots for Paladin.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Current encounters have several tank busters with timing that requires you to use two cooldowns to mitigate given the spacing between them, 3 in some circumstances, which is where your BIG cooldown comes in. So merging it into a baked in additional cooldown rather than a cross class is perfectly fine.

[CafPow]

You guy understand that foresight works completely different than rampart/shadowskin and is practically useless?
It reduces about 7% physical damage only....
Just sayin...

[ADVSS]

You guy understand that foresight works completely different than rampart/shadowskin and is practically useless?
It reduces about 7% physical damage only....
Just sayin...

I was trying to be nice, but youre right, like i said if it got deleted nothing would be missed

[Deathgiver]

foresight is only crappy like that at low ilvls, its much closer to 20% now (17 or 18ish % irc at i270)

[CafPow]

Ouh sry, i did a typo. I was meant to say "you guys" in general, as a reaction to the discussion that seems to compare an Apple (shadowskin / rampart) with a pear (foresight)
Nothing personal ^^


@deathgiver
I don't believe that it's that much but even it is... still pretty damn useless cause only physical damage...
"muh tankbuster" comes in magic. You'll need inner beast or vengeance, that is what makes WAR strong. Not foresight. ^^