4.0 tank buff ability changes, please don't do this

**Fernosaur** · 03-08-2017 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

The question should be: "What unique things are they going to add to each job in these slots?"

Will freeing up 3 ability slots mean that Paladin can have its own AoE attack, HP Shield spell and another way of protecting the party pre-50?

I agree with this. I think if anything, these changes will leave DRK and WAR feeling more or less the same (save for whatever incoming nerfs they have prepared for WAR), but it will help Paladin a little bit by giving them things that actually build a much-needed class identity while not necessarily adding more skills than they already have. Cross-class skills were so useless for PLD that you ended up just having them there, and this isn't counting Tempered Will and Cover, which are almost never used. As much as I love Tempered Will and would hate to see it go, I think the aim for this change to free up skill slots is to give PLD some utility that is actually useful, making the job gain more from cross-role skills, and maybe open up new skill slots to fix some of the job's problems, like lack of AoE and TP issues.

This might benefit DRK in the long run too, perhaps by giving them better enmity generation in single target scenarios.

The aim of this kind of change is something that could potentially help WHM in the same vein, since they are the healer role that gains the least out of cross-class skills. Putting Provoke and Cleric Stance in the cross-role skill list will probably free up something to hopefully give WHM some of the much needed MP management, mitigation or utility the job is lacking right now.

**Genis94** · 03-20-2017 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

This isn't homogenization. Its moving a common must have cooldown from the individual job skill list to the role skill list.

Merging Rampart/Shadowskin/Foresight into one role skill frees up 1 ability and 1 trait slot for all 3 jobs which can have actual unique distinct abilities in those slots.
Shifting Provoke and Convalescence to the role skill list opens up 1 trait and 2 more ability slots for Paladin.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Current encounters have several tank busters with timing that requires you to use two cooldowns to mitigate given the spacing between them, 3 in some circumstances, which is where your BIG cooldown comes in. So merging it into a baked in additional cooldown rather than a cross class is perfectly fine.

**CafPow** · 03-21-2017 04:39 AM

You guy understand that foresight works completely different than rampart/shadowskin and is practically useless?
It reduces about 7% physical damage only....
Just sayin...

**Ilan** · 03-08-2017 05:48 AM

I don't see the reason for this change. It is fine as it is right now.

I see the reason to get some skills out due to the lack of space for new skills, but i don't see any reason to make classes easier. If someone wants to play properly he will learn and if not then not, playing with only 4 buttons instead of 20 won't change anything about that.

**ChloeGrace** · 03-08-2017 08:30 AM

SE devs - finding new ways to screw over paladin with every patch and expansion.

**Exiled_Tonberry** · 03-08-2017 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by bounddreamer

If they take away access to Internal Release imma cry.

Get ready to cry. I see Blood 4 Blood, Internal release, second wind, basically every job buff being ripped from their jobs and stuffed into this system.

I can only hope we'll be getting something to replace these...

**Jandor** · 03-09-2017 02:07 AM

Rampart in a list of selectable role skills? Hope you like your DF tanks with no basic defensive cooldown

**ADVSS** · 03-09-2017 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Jandor

Rampart in a list of selectable role skills? Hope you like your DF tanks with no basic defensive cooldown

lol yes pretty much this. maybe theyll just boost tank stance to 40 percent damage reduction though, cause this, this sounds pretty awful but true, looks good for warrior. Maybe berserk will be tossed into role skills though. yeah probably not

**Ultimatecalibur** · 03-09-2017 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by Jandor

Rampart in a list of selectable role skills? Hope you like your DF tanks with no basic defensive cooldown

Which you can easily tell the newbie DF tank to equip if need be. This is far different than a Dark Knight coming into Ultima's Bane or another duty with required tank swaps without any levels in Paladin.

**Khalithar** · 03-09-2017 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

This is far different than a Dark Knight coming into Ultima's Bane or another duty with required tank swaps without any levels in Paladin.

Man I had forgotten that you need to tank swap in Ultima still, nowadays I just go unsynched with 6-7 dps and kill him in about 30 seconds. XD

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