Should the Heavensward Leveling dungeons and trials have item level requirements?

[BigRed5392]

i think all dungeons need a ilvl requirement with in reason. it will teach people that they need to gear up, and update gear. This will add incentive for crafter to make afforable low level gear, and have low level crafters able to make gil. They should also add more loot to all chests in each so getting a full set of leveling gear from a dungeon is easier/faster.

like all bonus chest drop gear loot. (not just pink, but green ect)

my g/f even stated that gearing up in this game is weird compared to ff11 as you would just go to the AH to buy your next set of gear. this game you don't see a lot of crafted gear on the MB least of all for a reasonable price.

either that or have all job quests give a full set of gear (it makes sense) this way there is no excuse to not have up to date gear. As a lit of excuse is "i wasn't lucky in dungeon" or "im not in an fc with crafters" or "i don't craft" "i can't afford it/none on the mb"

[BigRed5392]

If they put any ilvl requirements on leveling dungeons, they need to practically hand out the gear needed to meet those requirements. At no point should you be leveling and find yourself up against a wall of "I need to grind for better gear" - save that for when you're at endgame.

at no point do you "grind for gear" crafters can make gear. All other mmo till WoW came you ended up grinding out a bit for gear. They do hand out lvl 15 gear you can use till lvl 20 from the hall of novice.

if anything, it will get people used to grinding for gear. Not a lot of people are used to the way ff14 is at endgame simply because they come from a pre-WoW mmo and never touched wow.

My g/f is in that boat, only played ff11 for 7 years. only "grinding" was making weekly LS events and using dkp to loot on gear upgrades.

[Nixxe]

To take the aproach from this point of view "Would it be okay to go into Dusk Vigil with Gear from AV?" cause it's just a leveling dungeon and not so far into the level 50 endgame. This was spiced with some irony ofc.
The problem with this is, that Dusk Vigil is level 51 and not more 50 and it's mobs are thougher than the ones in keeper of the lake (min average ilvl 90), so i don't see any harm to set a min ilvl for this dungeons, especially this Dungeon is beyond level 50 and it's dungeon endgame, so the requirements should be beyond level 50 dungeon endgame too.

It seems rather doubtful they're getting in there with a full set of gear from Aurum Vale. It's not something I've encountered and it seems rather unlikely it's any sort of pervasive problem, if it's a problem at all, that requires a systemic solution to address it. If you get someone who is so woefully undergeared that they simply can't do their job, kick them (though be polite about it) and move on with your day. The need for an ilvl at endgame is because further character power growth comes entirely from ilvl, as opposed to actual level. The minimum requirement for leveling dungeons comes in the form of level instead.

EVERY DF in the game needs requirements, just because it is "rare" does not mean I enjoy carrying and stress healing undergreaed people.



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It is needed, every DF needs it.
Also every DF needs a WEAPON level requirement, and a stat level requirement (as in you need so much hp, so much main stat, to pass.)

average item level gates are too easy to exploit.

I don't think the game should have to be designed cater to idiosyncratic requirements for your mental well-being. As was covered last time, from a quantitative perspective what you called "stressful" should have been a walk in the park, even if it required the healer to actual heal.

[Ama_Hamada]

I don't think the game should have to be designed cater to idiosyncratic requirements for your mental well-being. As was covered last time, from a quantitative perspective what you called "stressful" should have been a walk in the park, even if it required the healer to actual heal.

the game should not cater to the lazy and allowing a system that makes 3 people to do all the work for them. You are insulting me why now?

[Nixxe]

the game should not cater to the lazy and allowing a system that makes 3 people to do all the work for them. You are insulting me why now?

I'm not insulting you at all. I'm pointing out that you, or your friend as the case may be, seem to have a rather low threshold for stress in this game, as evidenced by your own explanation of the situation. I simply don't think game design needs (or even can) accommodate the totality of each individual's individuality. There is already a minimum level requirement, the simple fact that most players are interested in their group succeeding, and if worst comes to worst a kick function. We don't need further requirements. We already have the tools and environment we need to solve the situation already.

[Ama_Hamada]

I'm not insulting you at all. I'm pointing out that you, or your friend as the case may be, seem to have a rather low threshold for stress in this game, as evidenced by your own explanation of the situation. I simply don't think game design needs (or even can) accommodate the totality of each individual's individuality. There is already a minimum level requirement, the simple fact that most players are interested in their group succeeding, and if worst comes to worst a kick function. We don't need further requirements. We already have the tools and environment we need to solve the situation already.

Yes you do, people harass others though premades and expect you to deal with it. I left a DF and even took a 30 min because I refused to carry someone undergraed in array. You have no idea on the degree of undergrear we speak of, they should not be allowed in.

Have you ever been in sastasha with people using level 1 gear? yes it is easy to carry but i am tired of doing it. It is getting worse and worse with it being more and more frequent. People are not learning, ALL DFS NEED requirements to enter, I/E it is not asking much to have people be in level 8 + in all slots for sastasha. I am tried of seeing crafting and gathering accessory in the DF. Level requirements does not work if people are willing to exploit it and bypass it.

The REASON it is not in the game is because SE prob though it would not be needed. Honestly I wouldn't either. I never expect people be so selfish and not doing their best. I also never expected 1 person to hold a minor grievance (something that person caused in the first place with the repeated feign pulling) so hard they would chose wipe the run and forcing a vote abandon because they wanted to show the ability to MPK a person.

Also claiming you are not insulting me then do so in the next sentence, 10/10.

[Nixxe]

Yes you do, people harass others though premades and expect you to deal with it. I left a DF and even took a 30 min because I refused to carry someone undergraed in array. You have no idea on the degree of undergrear we speak of, they should not be allowed in.

Have you ever been in sastasha with people using level 1 gear? yes it is easy to carry but i am tired of doing it. It is getting worse and worse with it being more and more frequent. People are not learning, ALL DFS NEED requirements to enter, I/E it is not asking much to have people be in level 8 + in all slots for sastasha. I am tried of seeing crafting and gathering accessory in the DF. Level requirements does not work if people are willing to exploit it and bypass it.

The REASON it is not in the game is because SE prob though it would not be needed. Honestly I wouldn't either. I never expect people be so selfish and not doing their best. I also never expected 1 person to hold a minor grievance (something that person caused in the first place with the repeated feign pulling) so hard they would chose wipe the run and forcing a vote abandon because they wanted to show the ability to MPK a person.

Also claiming you are not insulting me then do so in the next sentence, 10/10.

I'm sorry, but it's clear you're really just not the sort of person I can have a productive conversation with.

[AnaviAnael]

What's funny is I mentioned this shortly after HW's release and got met with, "OMG NO!"

To answer the question,

No, they shouldn't. However, there may need to start adding one in since some players don't want to use common sense. No one should be in the Vault with level 30 gear.

This is the big reason why it needs to be done. People don't want to use common sense. Why people think that after going through all the level 50 dungeons (dungeons that require certain item levels) only to go into 51-59 dungeons wearing mostly i90 attire is beyond me.

[Ama_Hamada]

What's funny is I mentioned this shortly after HW's release and got met with, "OMG NO!"


This is the big reason why it needs to be done. People don't want to use common sense. Why people think that after going through all the level 50 dungeons (dungeons that require certain item levels) only to go into 51-59 dungeons wearing mostly i90 attire is beyond me.

People most likely was not expecting people to do what we are currently seeing. Maybe back then it was less of an issue too? I am not sure, but I do know for a fact it is getting worse and worse to the point something needs changing.

For the people saying "it is not raid content it is not needed" it is possible to be under geared so much you can't pass them, keep this in mind:

Would be nice was running the Vault today and the healer was so under geared that if the first boss used his LB move on them it would one shot them and it took 3 runs getting lucky that they didn't get targeted to beat it

[AnaviAnael]

People most likely was not expecting people to do what we are currently seeing. Maybe back then it was less of an issue too? I am not sure, but I do know for a fact it is getting worse and worse to the point something needs changing.

For the people saying "it is not raid content it is not needed" it is possible to be under geared so much you can't pass them, keep this in mind:

It was an issue back then too. One of the reasons why I would see wipes on Bismarck NM was because people were still using their i90-i100 relic weapons. The maxed out versions I could understand, but 90-100 in a lv 57 trial?