Thread: MSQ Blue moon (spoilers if your not at 3.5 do not click this)

Before you fight Gaius in the Praeforium he openly says that the 12 are eikons just like the primals that are summoned and he asks why we do not do the same thing. Take that as you will but it was said.

Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Rhalrg is not a primal. A much, they can "create" a primal who resembles him, but cannot be Rharlg itself. Rhalgr, like any other deity, does not care about humans things. He won't attend the petition of a single crazy man.

Well if you consider how many people worship the deity, the false Rhalgr will actually be pretty powerful. Most Highlanders seem to pray to the deity, which means that prayer will fuel the false Rhalgr if he is released. He could potentially be more powerful than Dreadwyrm Bahamut and perhaps match the deity himself (if he exists), depending on how far worship towards Rhalgr reaches (world wide? Eorzea specific?).

Originally Posted by Purrsnikitty

Before you fight Gaius in the Praeforium he openly says that the 12 are eikons just like the primals that are summoned and he asks why we do not do the same thing. Take that as you will but it was said.

That's a pretty baseless claim and mainly based on the fact Garleans are generally anti religion. In all honestly they have no better idea on wether the twelve actually exist.

Eikon's/Primal's aren't neccesarily the same thing. They are effectively animated and sentient religious idols, Living constructs of Aether given the shape of what their believer's imagination of what their god's are like.

I thought the sealed primal is omega xD

Originally Posted by Belhi

That's a pretty baseless claim and mainly based on the fact Garleans are generally anti religion. In all honestly they have no better idea on wether the twelve actually exist.

Eikon's/Primal's aren't neccesarily the same thing. They are effectively animated and sentient religious idols, Living constructs of Aether given the shape of what their believer's imagination of what their god's are like.

This was also explored near the tail end of 1.0 (the events that lead to the calamity cutscene) and I believe during the Coil storyline as well. There's been numerous other hints here and there that there's little difference between the Twelve and the primals.

At this point, there's plenty of evidence to suggest they are the same, and little to no evidence that they are not. The sole difference appears to be that humanity has not been tempered by their gods, and do not try to summon them... with the events of the Calamity and two attempts now to summon Rhalgr being the exception.

For me, it will be a demon.

Originally Posted by Urthdigger

This was also explored near the tail end of 1.0 (the events that lead to the calamity cutscene) and I believe during the Coil storyline as well. There's been numerous other hints here and there that there's little difference between the Twelve and the primals.

At this point, there's plenty of evidence to suggest they are the same, and little to no evidence that they are not. The sole difference appears to be that humanity has not been tempered by their gods, and do not try to summon them... with the events of the Calamity and two attempts now to summon Rhalgr being the exception.

There really isn't. We have no definitive information at the origin of the legends of the twelve or even if they really are/were a thing. They are all tied to Eorzea's creation myth. They aren't even worshiped outside Eorzea much though there are deities worshipped who have similar traits and may share an origin. There is nothing solid that even proves they exist. The only 'gods' we know for a fact are Hydealyn and Zodiark.

Primals themselves are, as I said, merely constructs created by the summoners in the image of what the summoners believe their deities, real or imagined, are like. If a subsect of the Amaljaa believed Ifrit was a gentle pacifist with a fear of fire and a weakness to cute fluffy bunnies that is what the Ifrit they summoned would be like. There is a very real possibility that Ramuh is a bastardised version of Rhalgr that the Sylphs adopted long ago since the two figures share a lot in common. The thing summoned above Bealsar's Wall through isn't going to be Ramuh.

I cant remember the twelve ever being brought up in Coils. As for 1.0, The worship of the twelve was used as a way to congregate Aether in a similar fashion to a Primal summoning ritual to power the attempt to seal Bahamut that failed and ironically created another primal. The twelve weren't actually summoned. To my knowledge we have never seen an example of divine intervention by them to even establish they truly exist. That's not to say they don't just that we have no proof either way and neither to the Garleans.

Originally Posted by Valenth

Bahamut isn't (or wasn't I guess) either, yet for the sake of convinience we call the primal shade of him as such. Anyway... a B rank in the Hinterlands was recently renamed to False Gigantipedicus (or however you spell the gorilla's name). Who knows... maybe Rhalgr was actually a gorilla?!?!?!?!?!?! But then his name would be True-Yet-False-Gigantopedicus! O_O

I'm getting confused...

Well. Bahamut was a dragon, child of Midgarsworm, who died (supposedly) fighting again Allagan. His "people2 summon him in the form of a Primal, so yes, is not the "real" Bahamut. That's why I said a primal resembling Rhaglr, but not the real one. About the lore involving Rhalrg. He is a old man with a staff who commands Lightning. His description is very similar to Ramuh.