The Feast.

[Alyx]

Arena PvP is the worst thing that has ever happened to MMORPGs.

Lower the requirement for the "Fatal Feast" achievement to 10 wins to match Frontline.

If PvP was something that Square Enix valued, Morale would have had some sort of modification for over 2 years and 3 months since they broke it.

[Arisato]

Lower the requirement for the "Fatal Feast" achievement to 10 wins to match Frontline.

8v8s are short, and 4v4s are even shorter. 30 wins isn't going to kill you.

[Praesul]

Morale was terrible and I'm glad it's not back and I'm also glad it probably won't be modified. Please keep statistical advantages out of my pvp, thanks. Players already have progression in the form of glamour, ranked rewards, and pvp skills.

[bounddreamer]

It was very easy to get Goten...and you want it to be easier?

[Khalithar]

Morale was terrible and I'm glad it's not back and I'm also glad it probably won't be modified. Please keep statistical advantages out of my pvp, thanks. Players already have progression in the form of glamour, ranked rewards, and pvp skills.

I have to second this, keeping any kind of gear advantage out of PVP was actually a really good idea.

[loreleidiangelo]

It was very easy to get Goten...and you want it to be easier?

"Easy" is a bit subjective relative to the types of teams you get in 8s, but statistically speaking it shouldn't take much more than 60 matches to get Goten. It took me significantly less than that...I had it done in half a days' worth of solid grinding. Hardly an insurmountable endeavor. Of course, I suppose it could be argued that all the decent PVPers have already gotten Goten and don't do 8v8 now, just leaving new players and unskilled players left in the queues.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Of course, I suppose it could be argued that all the decent PVPers have already gotten Goten and don't do 8v8 now, just leaving new players and unskilled players left in the queues.

This. And when you factor in the removal of chat - a tool that could've been used to help and teach these players to get better and win what they want. . . well. . .

Nice Job!

[Zojha]

Of course, I suppose it could be argued that all the decent PVPers have already gotten Goten and don't do 8v8 now, just leaving new players and unskilled players left in the queues.

Which makes winning all that much easier, since you'll only have new and unskilled opponents.

These arguments always go both ways.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

No. . . not it doesn't.

When a team predominantly made of BRDs gets stuck fighting on/across a bridge, grouped up against SMNs, while a PLD, DRG, and MNK freely run in and out taking people down, and the enemy PLD 10 stacks then stands behind his team remaining untouched, meanwhile the MCH who knows how wrong that entire situation is hops the fence, runs up the stairs, takes out the PLD, grabs the medals, then WALKS back across the bridge untouched, both damage or healing wise, having noticed no one else on their team got the idea that they could do the same thing and push out of being stuck where they are. . . no, that team is NOT going to win. And they won't even know why.

^ True story, BTW.

[Zojha]

No. . . not it doesn't.

Logically, it has to go both ways - there's no way around that.

Premise one: Both teams are made of players from the queue.
Premise two: Players from the queue may end up on either team.
Premise three: Every player from the queue has a skill level.

From 3 and 1 follows that both teams are made of players with a skill level. Because of 2, the players and thus their skill levels may end up on either team. What that skill level actually is doesn't matter - both teams may end up with it. Provided, of course, the premises are true.

I could go on further, because the formal proof is not yet finished - It still needs conclusions on the likelihood of a given skill level on either team and the bias that's created from that fact that your own skill level is a known variable. But honestly? That's cumbersome to formalize and easy to understand intuitively. Have a meme instead: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/elo-hell