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    Istaru's Avatar
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    M'telihgo Feilyon
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
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    Sigh.

    I'm going to clarify myself again.

    The 100% thing is what I was taught to hold myself to and it is the goal I look to achieve myself.

    I do not gripe at tanks or badmouth ones that do not achieve that.

    Only, I try to achieve that that goal myself without giving myself excuses to accept less than that without trying to learn from what happened to cause me to fail that goal. It has made me push myself to learn and improve.
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    Reading too much of the forums makes me very sad and apathetic.

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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Istaru View Post
    Sigh.

    I'm going to clarify myself again.

    The 100% thing is what I was taught to hold myself to and it is the goal I look to achieve myself.

    I do not gripe at tanks or badmouth ones that do not achieve that.

    Only, I try to achieve that that goal myself without giving myself excuses to accept less than that without trying to learn from what happened to cause me to fail that goal. It has made me push myself to learn and improve.
    *grumble* *sigh* *cough* . . . lol (I don't know why it had to be included but I felt like doing it back :3)

    I still stand my response to you though, it is incorrect standard to hold anyone even yourself. It's not your fault that the healer steals part of your train by using a big healing spell while you're in mid pull, which is an easy example I come back to because there is literally nothing you could do if a healer decided they wanted the back end of your monster caboose (which is why as a tank you're supposed to help them out by running a defensive cooldown and not make them sweat where you'll stop).

    However, the more important reason why I responded was not because it was just your own personal mindset that never was shared - I might not be saying anything then "well you're judging yourself wrong but oh well I don't care" lol, it's that you'll teach anyone that way around you too (that'll you'll teach them wrong, as you were taught). I know wrong is a strong word, but as 100% of 100% (no excuse) is not true it is therefore factually incorrect..

    I believe it is plausible to believe you might teach others this incorrect mindset, Tank and DD alike, because in previous chains you responded to someone saying that Yes it was okay for a blackmage to start big damage chains right out the gate (which is a bad idea, it's possible a tank to hold through that, but if they're not expecting it and you chain big spells on a shield lob that's the DD's fault not the tank's - tank shouldn't expect to have to use a provoke 2 seconds into the fight, that's silly). Of course after BLM goes dodo you can provoke, but a lot of enemies will queue an attack that you won't get much say in.. depending on the monster this may cause massive havoc on positioning or just flat out kill stuff. Also if there was a gear difference between tank and DD AND the DD did that I guarantee you would lose hate regardless of what you did.

    I could absolutely pop into a dungeon, pop all my buffs, and DD as hard as I could as fast as I could before the tank can get close enough after their shield lob - and if there were multiple monsters I could easily make them dance and flounder trying to get aggro back properly (especially if there was a ranged monster in there).. Of course I'd probably die, but just an example that people must not follow 100% of 100% or tank failed.

    You can follow that yourself I don't care, but that's not something we should teach the general public. It'll be used to blame people later, "I should be able to do whatever I want, and you just deal with it and hold all the aggro no matter what I do!" - that'd be wrong lol (and that would easily follow from 100% of 100% is your responsibility).

    So it was more than just "your self judgement is weird" which I would have ignored - not my issue lol, it was I believe you're going to rub that off onto others and then it is wrong. There are reasons things go wrong that aren't your fault, you shouldn't be searching for them all the time of course.

    I'm glad you strive to be the best, but I only responded because I'm concerned you teach others the way you were taught (at least that specific logic phrase, sounds like you care to do well, other tips are probably good ).
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    Last edited by Shougun; 03-04-2017 at 05:39 AM.