How to get people to tank!

[Rinari]

Why I don't Q as tank for DF anymore:

My experience has been much better apparently. Almost every DF group has gone without a hitch and people are usually quite friendly. Sometimes I get a bad apple in the group, but it's astonishingly rare compared to every other MMO I've played. I really love tanking in FFXIV and people seem to appreciate my effort. To be fair though, about half the time, I'm joining DF with a friend or two so they can get that instant que with me. I'll take playing with friends over 'in need' bonus any day.

[zatoseyes]

I've been tanking since ARR launched and I enjoy doing it. I like being in control and knowing I don't have to worry about the tank being bad. However, as I near level cap for WAR and having already hit it with PLD, I am leaning toward playing DPS more.

What I would like is a way for me to continue playing my tank classes (I'll get to DRK eventually) and still level my other jobs. I know there's issues there, like not building experience playing a class in a group setting, but when I dedicate myself to leveling a non-tank job I'll just be contributing to the problem. I don't want to do that, but I don't have a choice.

[bswpayton]

While making a job "edgy" and likable aesthetically sounds like it works, we all know it wont be enough to get the average DPS player to stick with the job. (Such as DRK)
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None of this has anything to do with why people dont tank how bout this if people just shut up , and stopped calling out tanks just because they are tanks then I think wed have more tanks. Its really bad in the 24 mans someone always has to say something always , the problem is , is that when you want to blame a run on someone you go for the tank or the healer, while those same people will level their tanks in potd are something and not even bring it into an instance. The problem with tanking is the community itself not what a tank can or can not do , its if someone is looking for enjoyment in the game its best to just play the dps with no responsibility.

[Llus]

None of this has anything to do with why people dont tank how bout this if people just shut up , and stopped calling out tanks just because they are tanks then I think wed have more tanks. Its really bad in the 24 mans someone always has to say something always , the problem is , is that when you want to blame a run on someone you go for the tank or the healer, while those same people will level their tanks in potd are something and not even bring it into an instance. The problem with tanking is the community itself not what a tank can or can not do , its if someone is looking for enjoyment in the game its best to just play the dps with no responsibility.

What you'll often see in 24 man content are the tanks fighting each other for aggro (i've seen this less often, but it still happens) and on top of that ranged DPS not using quelling strikes (especially with DRKs) and ninjas putting smokescreen on the MT and putting shade walker on healers or other DPS specifically to troll tanks. Then everyone jumps down the MT's throat because they couldn't hold aggro through that.

[ManuelBravo]

What you'll often see in 24 man content are the tanks fighting each other for aggro (i've seen this less often, but it still happens) and on top of that ranged DPS not using quelling strikes (especially with DRKs) and ninjas putting smokescreen on the MT and putting shade walker on healers or other DPS specifically to troll tanks. Then everyone jumps down the MT's throat because they couldn't hold aggro through that.

That is very rare that I see that, normally in raids I have to take leadership do to slow runs. I use voice to txt at times to try and help people but depends on gear. If people fight for MT I just DPS and usually end up taking agro regardless. That is when I ask to take MT. It's all about communication and lets face it, during random raids there hardly is any.

[ManuelBravo]

None of this has anything to do with why people dont tank how bout this if people just shut up , and stopped calling out tanks just because they are tanks then I think wed have more tanks. Its really bad in the 24 mans someone always has to say something always , the problem is , is that when you want to blame a run on someone you go for the tank or the healer, while those same people will level their tanks in potd are something and not even bring it into an instance. The problem with tanking is the community itself not what a tank can or can not do , its if someone is looking for enjoyment in the game its best to just play the dps with no responsibility.

While I agree with you, DPS has responsibilities as well and some get the short end of the stick. DPS still don't know how to use their cool downs or even know were to stand. In raids as an example, people tend to forget DPS do have a role that is very important, to follow mechanics and watch their own agro bar. As a DRG I have to constantly use elusive jump to lower my hate generation. Some tanks however are at fault, yes they PoD a lot and have no experience, and also think that their gear at minimum will work. Some tanks are to blame as well in some runs, a very very low percentage.

[bswpayton]

While I agree with you, DPS has responsibilities as well and some get the short end of the stick. DPS still don't know how to use their cool .

Oh this is so true, whenever I switch to dps or heals I see this all the time, but what Im saying is in a group setting 9 times out of ten the blame for the run is gona go on the healer or the tank. This is my opinion of course but drk has some of the most amazing aesthetics in the game, and its complex if people like cool jobs everyone would want to be a drk its not an easy job to master like some dps jobs.

But the reason why I think people dont flock to drk is because it is a tank , and if you want to talk about numbers fell cleave has the highest potency attack in the game at 500 a skill test there would be to get off three cleaves in a row as much as possible. So its not exactly like tanks are boring, its just that more is expected from tanks and if you are playing a game just for fun you dont actually want to feel like you have a second job in game.

I mean think about it people will put up wit 20 or 30 min ques just to avoid the other two roles, a duty roulette can take up to 40 mins so for some its that important to avoid the trash talkers and such that youd spend an hour in a half just to do one dungeon. Now dont get me wrong I know people love their dps I love dragoon even tho Im pretty awful at it , but I see way to many people using potd as a means to level their tanks, only wanting to do runs with friends etc when they tank and this tells me that the community has something to do with this and it will never stop so thus its easier to avoid it.

[ManuelBravo]

Oh this is so true, whenever I switch to dps or heals I see this all the time, but

True I think it varies by server though for raids :/ 9/10 is pretty high from what I've experienced. Then again I'm Legacy so I may not see that too often.

[Shurrikhan]

None of this has anything to do with why people dont tank how bout this if people just shut up , and stopped calling out tanks just because they are tanks then I think wed have more tanks. Its really bad in the 24 mans someone always has to say something always , the problem is , is that when you want to blame a run on someone you go for the tank or the healer, while those same people will level their tanks in potd are something and not even bring it into an instance. The problem with tanking is the community itself not what a tank can or can not do , its if someone is looking for enjoyment in the game its best to just play the dps with no responsibility.

Alternatively, give DPS more individual responsibility, too.

Might reduce DF population overall, but the ratios would be better balanced...

[marewa]

My friend started leveling DRK and as soon as he saw Low Blow animation (a kick to stun), he was sold. Now it's his main, it's that simple.